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Message 10 of 86 (499362)
02-18-2009 12:38 PM

Reply to: Message 9 by JaysonD
02-18-2009 12:33 PM

Try to look at it like this: What is north of the north pole?

That's the same question as asking: What happened before the big bang?

Get it?

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Message 13 of 86 (499422)
02-18-2009 3:07 PM

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02-18-2009 3:01 PM

JaysonD writes:

Thanks, I guess I was just thinking of the big bang as the source of matter in the universe and not time as well. So my question now is why do we assume the big bang created time.

Time is an integral part of the universe. Without time, there is no universe. Without space, there is also no universe. Without matter, there is nothing inside the universe.

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Message 18 of 86 (499447)
02-18-2009 5:25 PM

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02-18-2009 5:05 PM

Yes, you're right of course, I was trying to keep it simple for Jayson, not to confuse him too much.

And to drag it off topic (

), and give you something to fear for my eternal soul. Abortion AND euthanasia are legal here as well.

So, what have we got so far?

Softdrugs? Legal!
Legal drinking age? 16!
Birth control (the pill)? Free!
Gay marriage? Legal!
Abortion? Legal!
Euthanasia? Legal!
Age of consent? 16 (14 if you have the parents permission)!

Yep, only one way down for us!

I think I'll update my sig

I hunt for the truth

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Huntard

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Message 21 of 86 (499454)
02-18-2009 5:40 PM

Reply to: Message 19 by Theodoric
02-18-2009 5:30 PM

I wouldn't say heaven, but life here is pretty relaxed. Despite all the suffering I should endure for endorsing all these travesties, my life's been pretty pleasant so far.

Ok, enough off topic, let's get back to the real issue at hand.

I hunt for the truth

What you can do in my country and get away with:

Softdrugs? Legal!
Legal drinking age? 16!
Birth control (the pill)? Free!
Gay marriage? Legal!
Abortion? Legal!
Euthanasia? Legal!
Age of consent? 16 (14 if you have the parents permission)!

Yep, only one way down for us!

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Huntard

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Message 46 of 86 (500377)
02-25-2009 4:36 AM

Reply to: Message 39 by grant111
02-25-2009 2:24 AM

grant111 writes:

A creator can't be created. That would defeat the whole concept. Anyway...

So, you're saying that because mankind has acted as a creator, we can't be created? Thank you for clearing that up.

I hunt for the truth

What you can do in my country and get away with:

Softdrugs? Legal!
Legal drinking age? 16!
Birth control (the pill)? Free!
Gay marriage? Legal!
Abortion? Legal!
Euthanasia? Legal!
Age of consent? 16 (14 if you have the parents permission)!

Yep, only one way down for us!

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Message 49 of 86 (500725)
03-02-2009 7:19 AM

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02-28-2009 3:44 PM

grant111 writes:

How has mankind acted as a creator?

Oh I don't know, how about by creating stuff?

I think you are taking it out of context.

Out of context? You only posted one sentence, how can I take that out of context?

If you are a caveman or anyone else lacking the technology to better observe your surroundings and you are wondering where you and all this stuff came from, you will then probably simply write it off as the workings of a higher power or a creator.

More than likely, since you yourself are also a creator.

I'm not sure how mankind can act as a creator. Your thoughts and ideas are intangible. They are not real, so in reality (from a nihilistic point of view) you are not creating anything, stuff is just moving around.

So, we haven't created anything? What's this thing I'm typing on then? Thin air?

I hunt for the truth

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Message 50 of 86 (500726)
03-02-2009 7:21 AM

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03-02-2009 5:03 AM

Black writes:

If you take a balloon and blow it up it is going to inflate with a space inside and outside of it. So, inflation does support the idea of space outside of our universe.

No it doesn't, you misunderstood the analogy. There is no "outside of space".

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