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The problems of big bang theory. What are they?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 282 of 389 (631291)
08-31-2011 11:52 AM 		Reply to: Message 281 by Maartenn100
08-31-2011 10:13 AM

I think most of your problems stems from using the colloquial layman's analogy to the concept as the scientific concept, itself.
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But: spacetime is 13.7 billion years old.
But spacetime is 'all events in the past or future'.
So, how can 'spacetime' itself has a past or a future?
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Because its finite, yet unbounded. Like the surface of a sphere.
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What you're asking is analogous to this:
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Earth's northern hemisphere has a length of 10000 km.
But the Earth contains "all lines of latitude"
So, how can 'Earth' itself have a north or a south?
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Don't make much sense does it?
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Earlier you wrote:
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Have you ever considered this:
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scientists say: 'the age of spacetime is 13.7 biljoen years old."
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This sentence makes no sense at all.
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How can 'spacetime' has an age? It's timeless. It's time itself. How can time has a clock?
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The surface of the earth begins at the north pole, and it is ~40 degrees north of me.
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I can have a distance from the beginning, even though the Earth, itself, contains all the lines of latitude. Do you see?
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08-31-2011 12:25 PM 		Reply to: Message 283 by Maartenn100
08-31-2011 12:07 PM

I follow what you want to say, but in that case you can find a referencepoint. (space).
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No, not from within the surface, itself, you can't. Space, assuming you mean outerspace, is outside the surface of the Earth and would be analogous to something outside the Universe, which is nonsense.
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But in the case of the 'event' spacetime, there is nothing to refere to. An event in what? In time? It's only 'spacetime' that exists.
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Spacetime, itself, is not an event. Events take place within spacetime. The Big Bang is just one point in spacetime like the north pole is just one point on the surface of the Earth... it marks a point of a beginning of a finite unbounded surface. All of spacetime is analogous to that 2D surface, but in 4D. Its a 4D manifold.
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ABE:
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Whoa man, you gotta settle down on those edits. Or at least indicate where and what they are... that's nothing like what I replied to
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ABE2:
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Here's what was emailed to me:
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Because its finite, yet unbounded. Like the surface of a sphere.
What you're asking is analogous to this:
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Earth's northern hemisphere has a length of 10000 km.
But the Earth contains "all lines of latitude"
So, how can 'Earth' itself have a north or a south?
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I follow what you want to say, but in that case you can find a referencepoint. (space).
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But in the case of the 'event' spacetime, there is nothing.
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Just do your edits before you submit, there's even a "Preview" button....
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Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE's
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 288 of 389 (631300)
08-31-2011 2:29 PM 		Reply to: Message 287 by Maartenn100
08-31-2011 2:08 PM

The reason why nobody in science can think about that, is because 'an observer' can not be found. It's zeropoint in the material world. It's nothing. It's always 0m/s in relation to the speed of light. It's 0 meter and 0 seconds. Timeless and Spaceless. It's a variable scientists don't like to think about.
It is = 0
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No, its really not.
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Zero degrees latitude is still a point on the surface of the Earth...
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08-31-2011 3:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 289 by Maartenn100
08-31-2011 2:40 PM

That's truth.
But I mean this:
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you can find a brain. You can find neurons, electricity etc.
But you can't find 'feelings, experiences, observations, colors, music'
All aspects of the world.
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But it is not in the material world.
But its an aspect of 'the reality'.
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And as far as we know, these things has no influence on the material world.
But I think 'observations' have there role to play: localisation in space and time.
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Conscousness is been represented by 'brains', 'neurons, nervecells etc.
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It's one material thing with two sides. A material side and an immaterial, not findable aspect. We only can find this, if we are such things.
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So maybe there is some other 'material' in the world. And it's is also a coin with two sides. A material side, and also an undetectable immaterial side: I suspect 'light' and electricity
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The position of the observer:
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According to our measurements, we are in "the actual moment" (for ourselves).
And the actual moment is how big? (0m/0s)
That's our position.
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Seriously, man... type up your responses into Notepad, or Word, and get everything right that you want to say, then copy-n-paste it into the text box. Then, hit the "Preview" button and make sure everything looks like you want it to and THEN hit the "Submit" button.
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I saw your reply in my email and thought, I better wait a bit for his normal 5 edits to take place and that shouldn't be something that we have to do.
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08-31-2011 3:25 PM 		Reply to: Message 291 by Maartenn100
08-31-2011 3:23 PM

CHANGE THEM BEFORE YOU SUBMIT!
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