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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me. Some names hurt me. Names such as "Liar" or "Con". I forgive my accusers only because they do not understand me. Other names actually help me. Names such as "Leader" or "wise one" or "smart guy". My point is that words can hurt others...but they can also help and encourage them. Thankfully, we cant get hurt by sticks or stones on the internet. ![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
starlite writes: Are you suggesting that there is no time at all in the far universe? I agree, and await evidence time exists in the far universe. By the way, I also am a moderator and wish to remind you that while it may be an adrenaline rush to do a driveby, it is better to get to know people and challenge yourself. You can be a leader or you can be a Chuunibyou the choice is up to you. The mods will suspend you if you seek only the thrill of a driveby, but if you want to open up and tell me about your life, goals, passions and plans, i'll respectfully listen. I won't be nice to a Chuunibyou, however. ![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
JonF, dont pour gasoline on the fire.
![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Theodoric writes: You have a point, but I was trying to allow starlite a chance to humble himself, grow up, and hang with us for awhile rather than pulling a driveby hit & run and act as if he knows more than we do. JonF asking Starlite to show how he is wrong is very on topic. That is how a discussion forum works. Sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable, but people spouting shit need to be exposed as spouting shit. thats all ![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Son Goku writes: Thanks for stepping in and clearing that up. You are one of my favorite Science Posters. Steering this topic back on topic:
There's very simple evidence that time exists in the distant universe. If you look at distant stars, wait a while, then look at them again, they will have changed. Hence they change state, so time must pass for them in order for these changes to occur.quote:Sounds logical from a Science perspective. For anyone interested in what everyone had to say over the last 13 years, feel free to scroll through the topic and read all of the answers (and non answers) that fueled this original discussion. Otherwise simply state your opinion from this synopsis of how the topic author--no longer active by the way--felt. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1
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Welcome to EvC, time.
![]() time writes: Out of curiosity, what would we expect to be a tentative conclusion if in fact time actually was different "there"? Even if time exists there, we have no reason to assume it is the same. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
time writes: Here at EvC we have faith based forums and science-based forums. Is your conclusion based on science or are you a man of faith? (Personally, I am a man of faith) Are you a student and...if so...what do you want to study and learn the next few years? I think man is too small, and that science is too small to really know that.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.~Proverbs 28:26
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
starman writes: Let me see if I properly understand you. You say to science that it really does not understand the measurement of time in distant stars and galaxies, right? I think Jesus will show us one day, and the nobel nonsense will be extinct. As a believer, do you think that science has been deceived or misled in some way? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever? How should a believer approach science? Is it wise or even possible to reject the scientific method as now presented?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith ![]()
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1
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creation writes: Fair enough. Were you taught this initially or did you wake up one day with an epiphany that it was true? Or do you also just "believe real hard"..?
In my belief set, God created it and set it up. creation writes: If by "your side" you mean God, I agree. God always wins. How can He lose? The mistake we make as believers is in proclaiming our arguments as Gods arguments...as if He gave us a dose of intelligence beyond normal...but when faced with debates, we end up resorting to ridicule and name calling of the "educated" ignoramuses. My side will win. I have a question for you. If God gave you one minute to convince the atheists and agnostic science humanists here of the reality of your Savior and Master, what would you tell us?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1
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OK, let's assume that *we* only have blind faith. What do you have that is any better? And how do you test for yours to be real?
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
...Scientifically there is nothing else one can say, until somebody observes the stars doing something stellar theory can't explain. I like that! You always explain things that are difficult in a way that makes simple minded people like me understand them. Thanks. ![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
To me, the obvious question is: How can YOU see outside the "fishbowl" to know that science is wrong? He likely will claim that though he himself can't see that far with 100% certainty, God certainly can and does. He is basically defending God...though I never knew that God needed backup! ![]() Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
It depends on him having special access to "God's knowledge". Which brings up the obvious question of whether Gods "knowledge" is limited to only believers or whether it is accessible to everyone. Faith will likely assert that one must believe first which leads to one knowing that everything written must then be true. Who's to say that a science-minded Christian can't have the same access to God? Which then leads to the question of whether literal fundamentalist Christians see truths that other Christians miss.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Speaking of dead has anyone heard from the thread originator here?? Is he OK? His last post here was in 2006. We used to have more members, and it was not uncommon for people to come and go....we never got to know that particular member that well. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Not that we dont enjoy discussions with creationists such as "creation" here.
![]() quote: I would hope that creation sees us as humans and not troll fodder. We certainly respect his presence, if not his arguments. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
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