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Author Topic:   Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
Hangdawg13
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Message 40 of 948 (127601)
07-26-2004 1:01 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by NosyNed
07-26-2004 12:07 AM


Re: Two points
I don't have time to cook up an alternative explanation, but I'll give it some thought.
I've read about some of the ways that atomic decay rates may be verified, and I haven't read the creo arguments that are misleading.
I don't know how old the earth or universe is. I've never decided whether or not I believe that the creation week is seven literal days or not either. I only believe that human history is about 6000 years old and that Noah's flood was real. I'm pretty darn sure Adam and Eve were literal people, and if the universe IS as old as this piece of evidence makes it seem, then I don't know where all that time fits in, but I am not closed minded to different possibilities.

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Hangdawg13
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Message 43 of 948 (127978)
07-27-2004 2:16 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by NosyNed
07-26-2004 1:15 AM


Re: YEC or OEC
It sounds like you are leaning to being an old earth creationist then. Human history isn't too far off 6,000 years but our record of humans goes back considerable more. Certainly artifacts and art a few 10,000's. Should we start a topic to cover OEC and humans? It is off topic here.
I lean towards a YEC, but am not closed minded to an OEC. And scientifically, as I pointed out just now in the evo forum, I am neutral. There are still MANY mysteries out there that neither YEC's nor evos can explain.

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Hangdawg13
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Message 45 of 948 (128234)
07-28-2004 12:04 AM
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07-27-2004 7:48 PM


Re: YEC or OEC
There are still MANY mysteries out there that neither YEC's nor evos can explain.
The age of the earth and the life on it is not one of those mysteries, however.
Due to the nature of time being a dimension of the physical universe, which underwent many changes, I have come to the conclusion that the seven days in Genesis are not literal 24-hour days; however, I don't agree with those who dogmatically claim that the universe is 14 billion "earth"-years old and the earth is 4.6 billion years old either. I am NOT opposed to such an age for any reason. But the current cosmology is continually running into problems. The nature of space as is being discovered in quantum physics may eventually change things up a lot when a unifying theory is finally found.
I think the idea that light, time, decay rates, etc... have always been constant is not a correct assumption in a universe where space-time has presumably expanded from nothing. I don't think the implications of expanding or shrinking space-time or changing zero point energy have been fully understood. I also do not necessarily agree with the theory of gravitational accretion of how the earth, moon, and other planets were formed as their elemental composition varies so greatly. There are still many mysteries in this area, and so I think there is a lot more wiggle room than many people assume.
You need not respond to this as I don't want to get this discussion off the topic of the Supernova.

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