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Author Topic:   Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
MangyTiger
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Message 171 of 948 (178414)
01-19-2005 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by simple
01-18-2005 7:01 PM


Re: ruler dimensionally challenged
I have not observed magicans pulling the entire universe out of a hat.
That's because you should be watching physicists
This quote is from a BBC Horizon programme in 2002 :
NARRATOR: But this isn't quite the end of the story. Now that the Theory of Everything may have been found some are keen to use it. Physics is preparing for the ultimate flight of fancy: to make a universe of its very own without any mysteries or unanswered questions at all.
ALAN GUTH: I in fact have worked with several other people for some period of time on the question of whether or not it's in principle possible to create a new universe in the laboratory. Whether or not it really works we don't know for sure. It looks like it probably would work. It's actually safe to create a universe in your basement. It would not displace the universe around it even though it would grow tremendously. It would actually create its own space as it grows and in fact in a very short fraction of a second it would splice itself off completely from our Universe and evolve as an isolated closed universe growing to cosmic proportions without displacing any of the territory that we currently lay claim to.
Note that it's the narrator who suggests we might soon be making a universe - Alan Guth (who is a Professor at MIT) only talks about it being possible in theory.
However, if it can be done somebody is bound to do it sooner or later (assuming the cost isn't prohibitive of course).
If this is ever done it will be staggering - it raises the possibility that's how our universe came about. Imagine the ignomy of it all - we're not the special creation of an all-powerful god, just the result of some nerd's science project in another universe !

Confused ? You will be...

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MangyTiger
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Message 173 of 948 (178434)
01-19-2005 2:02 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by simple
01-19-2005 1:17 AM


Re: these guys are a scream!
They sure are.
Predicting you could create a universe is as dumb as predicting that :
  • a hammer and feather dropped in a vacuum fall at the same rate
  • a massive body would bend light
  • enough of the right isotope of Uranium or Plutonium can make a bomb that can destroy a city
  • if you surround one of those imaginary bombs with Hydrogen you'll get an even bigger bomb
  • insert implausible (to non-physicists of the time) prediction here
Those wacky physicists and their daft predictions - they crack me up !

Confused ? You will be...

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MangyTiger
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Message 175 of 948 (178455)
01-19-2005 4:14 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by simple
01-19-2005 2:25 AM


Re: these guys are a scream!
It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see so many of these things are inspired by the enemy of mankind.
Surely they're theoretical physicists, not rocket scientists
...if you are proud of womd, fine, bask in your work for a while.
I was only trying to list things that at the time they were predicted would have seemed pretty implausible to the man in the street. The atomic bomb seemed a good candidate and after that the H-bomb seemed obvious. Maybe I should have gone back a bit further in history and included Newton's work with light and prisms or something like that.
The point was that just because an idea seems implausible to us ordinary folk doesn't mean that it isn't right.
I'm sure one of the admins is about to point out all this has nothing to do with the Supernova, so as a closing comment I'll point out the atomic bomb was just a practical application of the theoretical advances made by the generation of great physicists in the late 19th. and early 20th. Century. Unless the Devil created the sub-atomic world to make fission and fusion possible I don't think he had a lot to do with it.

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MangyTiger
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Message 214 of 948 (179424)
01-21-2005 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by simple
01-21-2005 5:50 PM


Re: the great final test
If any spirits can exist, we'd have to admit the Great Spirit as well, no?
I don't follow the reason for the leap from a specific spirit existing to the Great Spirit existing ? More specifically why your particular chosen one ?

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