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Message 661 of 945 (824087)
11-22-2017 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 652 by Tangle
11-10-2017 6:32 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Tangle writes:

Overall it seems a preposterous waste of time....


An even bigger waste of time is telling people that they're wasting their time.

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Message 753 of 945 (840914)
10-05-2018 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 752 by creation
10-05-2018 12:00 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:

Your job is to show time is the same in far space as here....


Your job is to show that it's different.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 755 of 945 (840989)
10-06-2018 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 754 by creation
10-05-2018 11:33 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:

This is a science thread and the claim made by science as science are what need to be vehemently supported.


They have been vehemently supported. This entire forum does that. All of science does that. In opposition, we have only a few little peeps from you.

creation writes:

I could support my dates six ways from Sunday, but what the issue is here, is your dates that you thought were science.


No, that isn't an issue at all. The scientific dates are no more an issue than the sun rising every day or water being wet. The fact that you don't understand the science makes not one iota of difference to the world.

Your silly ideas have been banished from our schools, hopefully forever, because they have no basis in reality. If you want your ideas to be taken seriously, the onus is entirely on you to prove them.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 760 of 945 (841126)
10-08-2018 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 757 by creation
10-08-2018 9:50 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:

Mentioning fables is not vehemently supporting them.


There is, quite literally, tons of support for the scientific answers. Every university library has, quite literally, tons of books and journals which support the scientific answers.

On this site right here, there are thousands of words supporting the scientific answers, with references to those tons of books and journals.

You, in contrast, have presented nothing to refute them. Have you even read this thread?

Calling all of that evidence "fables" just makes you look like a fool.

creation writes:

The basis for them was shown, and you must deal with it or lose.


You keep missing the fact that you have already lost. There is no creationism in our public schools. Is that you winning?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 775 of 945 (841212)
10-09-2018 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 766 by creation
10-09-2018 12:30 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:

My side will win.


Your side lost a hundred and fifty years ago. Will it raise it's ugly zombie-head again? Maybe. But you're not doing anything to resurrect it by flaunting your ignorance here.

Get thee to a university. Get a science degree. Do the experiments to prove that everything the thousands of scientists have been doing is wrong.

Of course, if you do that, you'll just learn that science was right and creationism was wrong. Everybody who has studied the matter honestly comes to that conclusion.

Most likely, you will have dropped this creationist silliness before you're old enough to drive.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 783 of 945 (841326)
10-11-2018 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 779 by creation
10-11-2018 9:07 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:

Man has no clue about creation and universities are the most clueless of all on the issue.


Don't be so proud of your ignorance.

If you had a clue, you could approach these topics with some intelligence.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 787 of 945 (841404)
10-12-2018 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 785 by creation
10-11-2018 11:33 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:

Your failure to get it does not mean it ain't there.


Unless there is evidence that it is there, we have no reason to think it's there - like Santa Claus.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 789 of 945 (841411)
10-12-2018 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 788 by Tanypteryx
10-12-2018 12:43 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Tanypteryx writes:

We know there is not a shred of evidence for "other natures" or any "fishbowl" but there is a mountain of evidence that Santa Claus is a real historical figure.


I picked Santa Claus because I was reasonably sure that creation wouldn't believe he was real. He might believe in Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, etc.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 823 of 945 (841812)
10-22-2018 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 822 by creation
10-22-2018 9:12 AM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:

That does not mean that what they can see (and they admit most of the universe is dark to them) is all that there is out there. Nor does it mean that time is the same out there. What we see take say, a day, could involve a much different level of time out there. Etc.


To me, the obvious question is: How can YOU see outside the "fishbowl" to know that science is wrong?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 826 of 945 (841817)
10-22-2018 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 825 by Thugpreacha
10-22-2018 12:04 PM


Re: Confusing
Phat writes:

He likely will claim that though he himself can't see that far with 100% certainty, God certainly can and does.


That's circular. It depends on him having special access to "God's knowledge". Who's to say that a science-minded Christian can't have the same access to God?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 829 of 945 (841834)
10-22-2018 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 828 by Thugpreacha
10-22-2018 4:04 PM


Re: Confusing
Phat writes:

Which brings up the obvious question of whether Gods "knowledge" is limited to only believers or whether it is accessible to everyone.


Which in turn brings up the obvious question of who is a true believer - he who mouths, Lord! Lord! or he who shows some sign of having internalized the knowledge.

Phat writes:

Faith will likely assert that one must believe first which leads to one knowing that everything written must then be true.


Which is patently nonsense. You wouldn't claim that for any other book. You wouldn't say you have to believe The Catcher in the Rye before you know it's literally true.

Phat writes:

Which then leads to the question of whether literal fundamentalist Christians see truths that other Christians miss.


We know that they miss truths that others see - science, for example - so it seems likely that the trend is in that direction.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 832 of 945 (841899)
10-23-2018 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 831 by creation
10-23-2018 11:15 AM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:

Science cannot see outside the fishbowl.


The question I asked was: How can YOU see outside the "fishbowl"?

creation writes:

Any clues, or guesses/models I would hazard to make on the unknown would have to be based on the known gift of God to man..His word.


That is not a "known gift". A small number of people believe it is a reliable source of information but reality does not support that belief.

creation writes:

I do not need to know all the mysteries of all creation and the created universe. All I need to know is that those claiming they do know are cons.


The thing is that we can compare science to reality and see that it is true - so we know that the con is YOU.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 838 of 945 (842087)
10-26-2018 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 836 by creation
10-26-2018 10:26 AM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:

Your idea of science is religion. Calling that reality is cultish ignorance.


The cultish ignorance is yours. If you're so smart, why can't you answer any of the questions put to you?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 840 of 945 (842242)
10-28-2018 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 839 by creation
10-27-2018 2:14 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:

I never said I was smart, that would be you.


You claim to know better than thousands of scientists. I don't.

creation writes:

If science doesn't know, why would I want to pontificate reasons on a science forum???


You don't know what science does know, and yet you have the arrogance to pontificate on a science forum.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 842 of 945 (842314)
10-29-2018 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 841 by creation
10-29-2018 10:44 AM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:

I know what science claims to know.


No you don't. Everything you post shows that you're completely clueless. If you knew anything at all about science you'd be able to discuss these topics intelligently instead of just spewing childish insults.

creation writes:

As for being more informed than thousands of little clueless big mouthed worldy wise men...heck, a kindergarten kid could do that!


All of those thousands of scientists used to be kindergarten kids. And most of the kindergarten kids today will grow up understanding how empty creationism is because we've managed to save them from creationist lies.

And you're helping us do that.


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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