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Author Topic:   Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
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Message 604 of 948 (823149)
11-06-2017 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 602 by starman
11-06-2017 12:54 PM


Re: A bridge to the stars
starman writes:
You can't use anything for distance. Gong! To do so assumes time exists and space equally all the way. Your game fails.
Then how in the world are you able to cross the street and avoid traffic?

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Message 620 of 948 (823270)
11-08-2017 1:04 PM
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11-07-2017 3:51 PM


Re: A bridge to the stars
starman writes:
All streets are on earth. Here we know distances.
We know the distances in space fro the same reasons, because we can see them.

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Message 636 of 948 (823346)
11-09-2017 12:33 PM
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11-08-2017 8:13 PM


Re: A bridge to the stars
starman writes:
You can't see time or that it exists the same as here.
Yes, you can. That is exactly what SN1987a showed us.
You only assumed a bunch of things and believed.
They are the same assumptions you use when crossing the street.

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Message 683 of 948 (827181)
01-19-2018 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 681 by creation
01-19-2018 9:53 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
We can watch stars move, explode, change colors, and a whole host of other time dependent activities. If time didn't exist out there then nothing would be moving or changing.
We also can say that the light from those stars is seen only and always here on or near earth. So whatever action happens must be seen IN time here where time exists. To assume that the time it takes for anything to happen here equals the time it takes THERE is just a belief. Correct?
How in the world do you cross the street? If you see a car moving down the street, do you just ignore it since time down the street doesn't exist, time only exists where you are?
All you are doing is rejecting direct observations because they don't fit with your religious beliefs.

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Message 687 of 948 (827203)
01-19-2018 5:02 PM
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01-19-2018 4:15 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:
So? You only see it HERE! How much time is involved here is all you see and know!
In order for the light to come from different points in the sky it would require the object emitting the light to move. If it is moving, then there is time where the star is found.
The streets we cross are here. Face it.
The cars driving down the streets are there, not here. Do you just ignore the cars because time only exists where you are and not where the cars are?
False. I do not reject what we see. It does take light so much time to move so far here...etc etc.
If light is moving then there has to be time along the space it is moving across.

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Message 697 of 948 (827314)
01-22-2018 1:36 PM
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01-21-2018 2:46 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:
Movement does not mean moving in time as it is on earth.I could set a clock, perhaps to move real slow. Or fast. It would still move.
If you took the same clock with the same settings to multiple places it would tick at the same rate.

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Message 707 of 948 (827490)
01-26-2018 11:02 AM
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01-26-2018 9:38 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:
You have never taken any clock out of the fishbowl actually.
Until you present evidence for this fishbowl, you have no argument.

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Message 708 of 948 (827492)
01-26-2018 11:03 AM
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01-26-2018 9:35 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:
Please do not ignore that you have provided no evidence for time existing as it does on earth in deep space.
That evidence is presented in the opening post.

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Message 738 of 948 (840633)
10-02-2018 6:28 PM
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10-02-2018 1:59 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:
Observing effects of time is not knowing what time is.
How are you able to cross a street? You can observe a car covering distance over a set amount of time, but according to you that doesn't mean anything. So how do you determine when it is safe to cross the street?

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Message 746 of 948 (840730)
10-03-2018 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 739 by creation
10-02-2018 7:08 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:
There is no street anyone crossed out in the far universe. Just because it may take a certain amount of time to cross one here, does not mean that time exists the same out in the unknown far reaches of space.
That should be obvious.
You still haven't answered the question. How do you know when it is safe to cross the street if you can't trust anything you see that is more than 1 millimeter from your retina?

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Message 751 of 948 (840839)
10-04-2018 4:01 PM
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10-04-2018 3:47 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:
Man knows a lot about this fishbowl we live in. Too bad he hasn't been anywhere else huh?
You are dodging again. How do you know when it is safe to cross the street if you can't trust anything you see that is more than 1 millimeter from your retina?

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Message 776 of 948 (841274)
10-10-2018 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 757 by creation
10-08-2018 9:50 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:
Mentioning fables is not vehemently supporting them. The basis for them was shown, and you must deal with it or lose.
According to your argument, if you see a car coming down the street it is simply a fable because it is happening out there where you are not. That is how silly your position is.

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