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Author Topic:   Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
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Message 417 of 948 (797571)
01-24-2017 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 381 by creation
01-23-2017 9:28 AM


Re: Moderator Request
time writes:
That is evidence time exists here. It takes time for the movement as experienced here. That does not go toward evidence that time exists the same! Even if time exists there, we have no reason to assume it is the same.
Ok, suppose time exists 'here' but not 'there'. What is the consequence? Why does it matter to you?

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 431 of 948 (797608)
01-24-2017 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 420 by creation
01-24-2017 8:42 AM


Re: Moderator Request
time writes:
How would I know if science doesn't?
This is problematic. Science says that it DOES know. It's you that's saying it doesn't - without evidence. But you are also saying that you don't know either. So I'm puzzled.
Why does it matter? Well, the same way distance to stars and sizes of stars and all things about say, SN1987a matter I guess.
Now you're spinning, I'm asking why it matters to you? What's behind your question?

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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 462 of 948 (797649)
01-25-2017 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by creation
01-24-2017 8:43 PM


Re: A game ... The Star Distance Two-step
time writes:
I could dash your arguments to smithereens with one hand tied behind my back, without much effort in an arena where there was fair moderation.
Sounds like the wail of a defeated scoundrel to me.
There are few and fair rules for this forum. It's extremely hard to get banned - you have to be repetitively and horribly abusive or totally off your trolley - and you're never redacted. Keep on topic, don't be abusive, provide evidence to support your arguments, pretty much covers it.
Full list here: EvC Forum: Rules
At the moment, you're avoiding providing evidence, merely chanting that we don't know and admitting that you don't know either. Meanwhile others provide evidence that we actually do know - which you just hand wave away.
So it's time to "dash our arguments to smitherines is it not?
Moderation will happily defend your efforts. The worst that moderation is going to say is that you need to start a new topic. So off you go, what have you got?
But I do suggest you use both hands.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 652 of 948 (823489)
11-10-2017 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 651 by Percy
11-10-2017 4:58 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Percy writes:
but it sure is fun lining up all the ducks of an argument for the benefit of others.
Is it? Really? Maybe the first few times, but over and over again, often with the same immature ignoramouses spraying crap on the forum then leaving for 6 months then returning to do it again?
I wonder. The excuse for feeding the obvious troll is that it's for the benefit others. I seriously doubt that. I think it's really for the benefit of the writer. It's to demonstrate their overall superiority of argument. 'To hone my skills' as admitted by one poster.
Overall it seems a preposterous waste of time, no meeting of minds, no development of argument, no increase of understanding or knowledge, just endless, repetitive posturing on both sides.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 655 of 948 (823503)
11-11-2017 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 653 by jar
11-10-2017 7:53 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Jar writes:
The other option is to allow the utter nonsense that is Young Earth or Creationism or Biblical Christianity to stand as though it had any value or worth.
That's not the only option. You make the arguments fully once, twice, maybe three times then when it becomes absolutely obvious that you're dealing with a hopeless troll you just ignore him. It'd be a few hundred pages less crap on the forum.
These idiots all disapear eventually, normally by getting banned. Starman will return again in 6 months and we'll do it all again. Pointless.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 662 of 948 (824094)
11-22-2017 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 661 by ringo
11-22-2017 2:37 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Ringo writes:
An even bigger waste of time is telling people that they're wasting their time.
Well the hope is that by investing a little time now a lot of time is saved later. But I admit that given the current combatants need to argue the pants of an ant, it's probably fruitless hope.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 717 of 948 (827529)
01-27-2018 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 714 by creation
01-27-2018 1:39 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:
Since God is known by a plethora of infallible proofs outside of science []
Fantastic, let's see these proofs.
ps, why not learn to use quotes properly?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 726 of 948 (827555)
01-27-2018 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 720 by creation
01-27-2018 2:00 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:
You want to get into proofs that are outside of science on a science forum?
Absolutely, proofs are proofs regardless of what forum you stick them in. Infallible also - certainty is something that should be really easy to demonstrate.
Let's have at 'em.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 733 of 948 (827624)
01-28-2018 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 729 by creation
01-28-2018 4:04 PM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:
Jesus rising from the dead as observed by hundreds of people.
Gosh, you nailed it in one! None of that darned science necessary, well done.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 772 of 948 (841200)
10-09-2018 3:05 AM
Reply to: Message 766 by creation
10-09-2018 12:30 AM


Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
creation writes:
My side will win.
The reason you're here is because your 'side', lost 200 years ago. No-one but a few loony-tune fundies believe your rubbish anymore and there are less of those every year.
The reason you lost is that our side - ie reason, rationality, evidence and knowledge - demonstrated your errors beyond reasonable doubt a long time ago and even your religion accepts it.
As demonstrated here, your response to this knowledge is empty one liners. That appears to be all you have.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 835 of 948 (841916)
10-23-2018 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 834 by RAZD
10-23-2018 1:59 PM


Re: Confusing
RAZD writes:
Careful, you're going to confuse him with facts.
That's the very last thing anyone can do to creation. He wouldn't recognise a fact is Jesus himself gave it to him. His job is to bluster and obfuscate and rebut a fact filled, page length post with a content free one-liner, straight out of his own imagination.
Like John Cleese once said ‘what a senseless waste of human life'.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 896 of 948 (844123)
11-25-2018 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 895 by Phat
11-25-2018 1:40 PM


Re: Confusing
Phat writes:
We certainly respect his presence, if not his arguments.
His presence is not seperable from his posts - I won't call them arguments, they're pure ignorant, trolling drivel.
I can't respect anyone who behaves as disingenuously and stupidly as this.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 941 of 948 (844547)
12-01-2018 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 940 by AdminPhat
12-01-2018 2:51 PM


Re: Confusing
And in any case this is a bloody science forum...

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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