if other Life is Discovered wouldn't this Pose a problem?

'IF the god of the bible is correct, than the human body (and many other life forms) should be designed better,'Who are we to say that, if he is true?

As I said, you're oversimplifying. If you want to claim that it's simple, you might address specific points I made and explain why they're wrong. Otherwise, I'm not even convinced you understand my argument.

'So you think our brain is amazing, but you have no answer to the statement that our skull design constantly endangers it?'Yet I am not suffering from this problem and so why is it a problem, do you have a better design?

A better design? Yeah, one without the sharp ridge of bone inside the skull that can cause debilitating brain damage. Seems rather obvious.

Hi Mike, I think that since we seem to have great justification in saying that, it makes the idea of some omniscient creator unlikely.(and as someone with lower back and knee problems created by bad design, I think I am well qualified to say that)------------------
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What are you on about, it's not an attack, it's a very simple observation. She agrees the things of space and the earth are brilliant but doesn't give God credit, yet she was quick to point out 'supposed' problems with other things in the universe, and says they are bad designs.

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Right.Both brilliant and bad (or at least only barely adequate) design exists in the universe.If God was all-powerful and all-knowing, why would ANY bad design exist in the Universe?

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By her logic, you can say things in the universe are brilliant but nothing to do with God, but complain about other things in the universe and say 'bad design'.

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Remember, she did say what have the 'brilliant things got to do with it?' Well in this case a lot to do with it.

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No, not really.If God is all-powerful and all-knowing, why did he create anything with sub-optimal design at all?If you believe that God loves and favors humans above all other creatures, why did he make our lower backs, knees, and air and food pipe construction such obvious weaknesses?[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 09-06-2003]

mike I am FAR from as Perfect as your God However I am sure I can do a better Job at designing creatures. Knowing what I know. not that they would be 100% flawless but better then your Gods design. to answer your question if I had the power yes I could do better.
You Seem to think Because things are complex they had to have been thought of and designed. Why? (note am Not saying there isn't a God I am saying it didn't design everything)

'mike I am FAR from as Perfect as your God However I am sure I can do a better Job at designing creatures.'Yet I think, personally, that you would not exist without God to design anything. Nevertheless I see no reason in trying to stop you making a new creature better than a human, I'm sure I will hear about it on the news shortly.

'If God is all-powerful and all-knowing, why did he create anything with sub-optimal design at all?'I have already said, where you see problems I don't, afterall I am quite confident God can heal any and all inflictions that come upon us, certainly I have seen this happen in the past, so where are these problems, are they problems, and even if they are, why the ingratitude towards God?
Come up with better designs guys, I am sure I will hear it on the news shortly!

sigh.. I said if I had the magical powers of Your God I know I could do better........ ALOT better. and You knew what I mean't you just think its cute to say "can you do better?" No not here but if I had the Power of your God I sure could do MUCH better. Why do things need to have been designed? Complexity is not a reason so Explain this to me

'I said if I had the magical powers of Your God I know I could do better........ ALOT better'You KNOW you could do better, that's a bold statement, however we both know it's irellevant because it is God WITH power, and since God has intelligence beyond measure, what makes you so sure you could do a better job.'Why do things need to have been designed? Complexity is not a reason so Explain this to me 'Personally , that question doesn't make sense to me. Things are so obviously 'made' in my mind, that the possibility of 'chance' almost amuses me.

Hmmm have you looked Above? If I was going to create my best and most loved Creation. I wouldn't make it so horribly made..... Some intelligence haaa. where is the brillant design? I don't see it..... if we are God's most Perfect creation God must not be very Good at making things or not as intelligent as you think. why is it so obvious to you? How can you not see the poor design after what you have read above? Or are you blinded by faith? Again why does complexity Make you think that A God did it?

'Again why does complexity Make you think that A God did it?'That is not what makes me believe in God, or the things he does. It's personal, for me, so I'm hardly going to mention it here,lol.'where is the brillant design? I don't see it.....'Consider the Earth(and space), for example, it simply is brilliant,we have a sun which provides light every day without fail. We have an intelligent mind to consider these things. Time, laws that keep things in order, I could go on, but to me it is very obviously and intelligently designed short of giving me a verbal hammer on the head,it's so obvious. I mean just look at how Jupiter protects us, just like a skull protects a brain.lol

'Or are you blinded by faith?'Why attack faith?
Faith is moving one's beliefs into action, even when one does not want to do certain things. Nothing to do with this!

ohhhh I agree they are great ,complex and wonderful things... but why did they need to have been designed? I still don't get where your coming from.... Yes they are great. But where is the Brilliant design? none of these things are nearly as Good as they could be with a God like you believe in. I am telling you I could do much better. I mean hey for the planet with my most loved creations I wouldn't put asteroids in the solar system... so I wouldn't need a Jupiter. and as for our mind... so what? a giraffe has a long neck and many other animals have things we don't have that are great. what is your point about the brain? I am not attacking faith! I am simply saying that all these things you are talking about are based around it. are they not? (note: you can not say the same for me as I am an Agnostic I do not have true beliefs)[This message has been edited by DC85, 09-07-2003]