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Peter Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: And creationists say that evolutionists run headlong into convenientunsubstantiated fantasies!! For life to survive I would guess that at least the Sun wouldhave to be in this white whole thingy too then, and that the orbit of the earth around the sun would have to be maintained, in an extreme gravitational field ... hmm.
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lbhandli Inactive Member |
The sheer number of problems with the theory boggles the mind. I wonder whether the author's intent was to have actual physicists laughing so hard that:
1) they bought the book for jokes at professional conventions 2) they'd be too busy laughing to offer the problems.
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wj Inactive Member |
For those who may not be aware, the author, D. Russell Humphreys has a PhD in physics. Here is a biography at answersingenesis:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/r_humphreys.asp He does not restrict his creationist science to cosmology. He has also adduced evidence for a young (6,000 year) earth from such diverse sources as cosmology, geology, geophysics and archaeology. See http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c012.html It appears that you only need a PhD in one area of science to be an expert in all areas of science and be able to point out the errors of the fools who specialise in such fields. Do physicists have a good sense of humour?
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lbhandli Inactive Member |
wj
Yes, though I will not comment on the quality of that sense of humor.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: 11. History is too short Strange leep in logic here. Just because no written records survive from prior to 5000 years does not mean they did not once exist. The dark age upheavals mean that we have little written from that period,which is only a few hundred years ago, it's not inconceivable that 6000 year old records have been lost. There are those who date the pyramids in egypt to more like 10,000 years (I believe based upon astronomical alignments) .. controversialthat though. 10 Agriculture is too recent African tribes only started farming within the last 300-400 yearsafter the white settlers forced them to abandon their nomadic life. African tribes have been about for several thousand years and onlyadopted agriculture because it was thrust upon them. 9 Not enough stone age skeletons A global population of 10 million would be spread pretty thin (theUK population alone is about 60 million currently I believe), and w still know very little of funeral practices. Certainly some of the stone age cultures buried their dead (the graves have been found), but we have no way of knowing how ALL stone age corpses were disposed of. Cremation has been common among cultures and could leave little morethan teeth, burial in lakes or the see is possible and I don't know of any archealogical digs on the sea/lake beds. Not having found something does NOT mean it does not exits. The ceolocanth was presumed extinct because we hadn't seen them, thenthey turned up alive and well in places we hadn't looked. American cities are relatively young, European ones aren't. Trydigging deep enough under Rome, London, Paris, Milan, Berlin, etc. and I'm sure you'd find more stone age burials. 8 Helium in the wrong places The rate of helium loss from the atmosphere presumably would havebeen different when the atmoshpere was different, which it was when the earth was young (whenever that may have been). Extrapolating that loss rate back over millions of years is hardly valid. What about cosmogenic helium contamination ?? 7 Fossil radioactivity shortens geologic 'ages' to a few years I thought young earth theorists discounted radioactive decay asa method of dating materials. 6 Injected sandstone shortens geologic 'ages'. This one's an unsubstantaited assumption. We do not know the exactconditions under which the Rockys were formed and so cannot comment in either direction on the likely time it would take for the sandstone to solidify. 5 Many strata are too tightly bent I can find nothing in non-creationist literature to suggest thattight anticilines or synclines cannot be formed by sustained pressure over time. Please show me where this exists in non-creationist literature. 4 Earth's magnetic field is decaying too fast See http://earth.agu.org/sci_soc/hoffman.html According to research mentioned on this site the polarity of theearth's magnetic field reverses every few million years, at which time the dipole field appears to re-energize. 3 Not enough sodium in the sea see http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/salt.htm For an explanation of why the sodium output considered in creationsistliterature is incorrect. 2 Not enough mud on the sea floor What about the ocean trenches ? We do not know how deep they areor how much mud they contain. 1 Comets disintegrate too quickly I don't really follow the logic of this one for the following reason: Saying that a comet CANNOT exist for more than 10,000 years pre-supposes a maximum size AND minimum orbital period. Comets only disintegrate when in proximity to the sun, and havebeen observed to split into several seprate comets at times. --------------------------------------- I've got a PhD too, but I doubt you will be as quick to acceptmy explanations as you were the descriptions of the problems.
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wj Inactive Member |
Peter, I don't want to send this thread off at a tangent. Let me say that you have padded up to Warnie like Gatting without realising you've been clean bowled. Or, you've scored an own goal.
I was simply providing information on Humphreys' background and his other ventures into "evidence" against evolution and an old earth. I've noticed that, as well as engineers and physicists offering gratuitous advice on evolutionary science, there now appears to be a flood of computer scientists. Great to see such interdisciplinary interaction. It seems that biology, genetics, molecular biology, geo;ogy etc. are percieved to be lower on the pecking order and therefore physicists can offer insights which biologists etc. have been too dumb to realise. Or are certain disciplines more prone to egotripping? Back to the white hole thingy.
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lbhandli Inactive Member |
Since Humphreys is clearly not talking about a white hole, well at least any white hole theorized by physics, perhaps a new name should be created for it. While I find white hole thingy quite descriptive, perhaps we could have a white hole thingy naming contest?
Any ideas?
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Well if physicists have a sense of humour you could say it would be the butt of a lot of jokes so butt hole... Or you could argue that he postulated it for the glory of God so glory hole. Ah the possibilities....
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joz Inactive Member |
And then there is the fact that the whole theory is *A Rather Silly Empty* theory (I think you can guess the acronym that would precede the hole)...
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wj Inactive Member |
joz, maybe it should be americanised (in view of its author's nationality) to a silly starlight theory?!
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7874 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
quote: curiousity again. can someone explain gravity wells and event horizon. a link along with it would be awesome. ------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Look here:
http://www.astronomical.org/astbook/blkhole.html
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7874 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
thank you much
------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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KingPenguin Member (Idle past 7874 days) Posts: 286 From: Freeland, Mi USA Joined: |
okay i finally read all of this thread and i guess im coming to the conclusion that all of this is purely theoretical. I also think we should cut off humphreys hands and sew his mouth shut so no one will ever hear of his "crazy talk" ever again. its pretty bad when the people hes trying to support think hes a moron.
------------------"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5186 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
quote: LOL, you speak for all of us! ------------------Occam's razor is not for shaving with.
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