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Message 44 of 79 (223232)
07-11-2005 7:41 PM

Reply to: Message 42 by Oscar
07-11-2005 12:11 PM

nitpicking terminology

You can't have multiple UNI-verses, but I understand your idea.

Perhaps you should call the Superuniverse a Polyverse, or Multiverse, which is composed of many Verses, or maybe ?Monoverses?.

I prefer the idea that our universe is one of an infinite that have occured in a cyclical pattern of big bangs and big crunches over and over again.

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Message 53 of 79 (298674)
03-27-2006 12:37 PM

Reply to: Message 47 by generaljoe
03-27-2006 12:47 AM

who says the universe hasnt been here continuously collapsing and reforming forever?

The cosmologists.

Read the replies to Message 6

where I asked the same question and it got answered.

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Message 57 of 79 (299303)
03-29-2006 10:51 AM

Reply to: Message 56 by Posit
03-29-2006 3:46 AM

Re: I would rather bank on a god than ignore the severe contridiction to my logic.

If properties such as timelessness or an infinite past are inconceivable when applied to the universe, how does ascribing them to a creator make them any more conceivable?

Because the creator has magic powers and the universe does not.

Any objections you have to a universe with an infinite past, or a universe appearing from nothing, can be applied just as well to a creator simply by substituting the word "creator" for the word "universe".

Unless you consider the creator a god with supernatural powers, then its different from the universe and could have properties that the universe could not.

In fact, given the past fifty years, it's a safe bet that within most of our lifetimes something very counerintuitive will be discovered about how the universe works.

Yep, and they're fun to read about too.

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Message 61 of 79 (299349)
03-29-2006 12:41 PM

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03-29-2006 12:29 PM

Re: I would rather bank on a god than ignore the severe contridiction to my logic.

But if the qualities of God are supernatural then how can communication occur with the natural since this implies a natural means of alerting our physical senses?

Yeah, what Jar said. A square is a rectangle but a rectangle isn't always a square.

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Message 63 of 79 (299377)
03-29-2006 2:36 PM

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03-29-2006 2:22 PM

Re: Supersets and subsets

This does not mean that the supernatural does not exist just that it cannot affect the natural without altering its nature.

would you please clarify the ambiguity of what "its" is refering too.

The supernatural cannot affect the natural without altering the supernatural's nature?

or the supernatural cannot affect the natural without altering the natural's nature?

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