In the begining...... nothing.... unless infinite past.

may i quote your whole message , because i think it contain the part of the problem .."fair enough. nothing cant create something. i see that point. yet there really is no other alternative, except that a being created it, which is hard to decipher because if god created the universe, what was he doing for an infinite amount of time before he created the universe? i guess either way you look at it, there was always something there "the problem being we are using language designed to say ...good morning ..look its raining .. how much is the loaf of bread ...
and with it we are trying to describe events that do not conform to our everytday reality ie the BIG BANGyou ask "if god created the universe, what was he doing for an infinite amount of time " ... but time is a propertiy of our universe .. before the universe there was no TIME ... also there was no space .. not simple void or vacum but no SPACE .. our fundemental laws of physics coud not work because there was no Universe for them to work in .you go on to say "i guess either way you look at it, there was always something there " .. but there is no THEREconfused .. me to ! , but once you can get passed the fact that the explanations have to be translated into our language you can start to get a handle on NOTHING CREATING the universe ... without the intervention of a outside party ... ( hmm may be outside is the wrong word )