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Message 112 of 124 (88407)
02-24-2004 3:13 PM


NaCl =salt +taste-------> opinion
Salinity can be tested and verified by lab instuments, but can not be described in terms of taste by a machine. (yet)
Orgins of the Universe can be postulated but not substantiated.
Point 1. Machines will never be able to assign true content in data as a human does.
Point 2. humans will never come to agreement on matters of faith verses science. Hence EvC forum !

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Message 115 of 124 (88415)
02-24-2004 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Brad McFall
02-24-2004 3:24 PM


Hi Crashfrog.
A machine/computer assigns 0's 1's
A human infers all that has been perceived/learned/expirenced/taught/ from the subject matter.
I see your point Crash but I was simply meaning that when you see a tree your 'human' experiance assigns content within the parameters of what you know. A machine simply sees data.
And yes I realize we could bat this back and forth. As it all boils down to what we agree is data. I was just speculating that content in a sense that when you say tree to me it means something, a tree in my yard, a tree I got laid under. lol.... let me see a computer add that kind of content.

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Message 118 of 124 (88421)
02-24-2004 4:26 PM
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02-24-2004 3:50 PM


I think we a drifting from the topic.
Hi Crashfrog, I do not feel I am adequately able to express what I mean by this to you. I know that 0's and 1's can be akin to neurons firing and activity in the brain akin to a CPU. I am aware of those analogies. What I was trying to impress upon you was that humans are emotional beings. And as such Crash we impart our individual meanings and "content" on to our subject matter. So when you see a tree, or someone says tree, or you read the word tree. It contains memorys, images, emotion. A computer is a Turing device. It writes a 1 and erases a 0. This data is not the same "content" as what a human understands is a tree. Thats the best I can explain my position.

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Message 121 of 124 (88426)
02-24-2004 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by :æ:
02-24-2004 4:46 PM


That darn uncertainty principal.

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