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johnfolton 
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Message 14 of 131 (487067)
10-27-2008 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by cavediver
10-26-2008 11:44 AM


so that some things I regard as happening in my past, you may regard as yet to occur.

I see things that happen as that the past is past so happenings can not reoccur in the natural. I'm not against the past present and the future time is connected that the atom is not pointlike but part of this river of time connection believed by some founded on nothing that we're all experiencing. However these dimensions of time does not seem to be allowing anyone to experience something in real time happening before another experiences the same happening.

The earth is it not moving thru space and time so for an happening to happen before another shared the same happening how is this not placing the cart ahead of the horse? Would not the second person need to be going backwards in time to a space time coordinate where the earth was when this happening on the earth occurred?


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Message 42 of 131 (487263)
10-29-2008 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by onifre
10-29-2008 8:48 AM


Spacetime dilation?
I can't speak for bluecat but my explanation was just so johnfultron understood how one event could be considered past, present and future, without over complicating my explanation.

I took your explanation as a good explanation of the present not the past or future.

I think what your all talking about is spacetime dilation like a photon not aging giving us a picture of the early universe yet the photon itself has not aged. Or if your travelling thru space at the speed of a photon you would not age as fast as your twin on earth, etc...

Like if the earth is stretching spacetime at a faster rate than a photon and the space between the galaxies is being stretching at an even faster rate than the earth you could have the entire universe being created only 6,000 years ago and the earth only 13,000 years ago: right? Which is likely why the galaxies all show they are still wound up (right?) no matter what the distance from the earth the galaxies are all spiraled evidence of a young universe(right?) apparently is this not due spacetime dilation stretching greater between the galaxies than the rate of space time dilation of the stars themselves (right?), as the stars in the galaxies unfold the greater space distances between the galaxies for the unfolding of the galaxies in to the space created by space dilation and the greater distances for the photon to be travelling thru space.

P.S. I guess I always thought space curvature is more a part of the present becoming the past going to the future about how this curved dimension inward is how the very fabric of space time is moving the earth/sun forward in time faster than the photon is moving forward in time not space, etc... As far as your light cones in a flat straight disk like universe is not the light cones straight not curved so you can not share an happening going backwards in time? and anything going forward in time is not about a happening going backwards so your cones are nothing but how space dilation disects forward at different rates thru time. right? Now a black hole are the light cones curved going backwards in time or are they going forward thru time? as the universe is a flat disc shape, etc...

Does it make more sense that the entire universe was created by Bose-Einstein condensate principles instead of big bang principles, etc...Like granites appearing to of formed suddenly more of from a Bose-Einstein condensate like a seed from which galaxies formed suddenly in thousands of our years not billions of years as you need from a big bang senerio, etc...

http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:wf8v4aHRD8kJ:moriond.in2p3.fr/J04/proceedings/morikawa.pdf.gz+bose-einstein+condensate+seeds+of+the+universe&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

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Message 74 of 131 (487782)
11-04-2008 7:19 PM


I personally think cosmologists have all been brainwashed preaching hubbles gospel that every point in the universe is the center of the universe to explain redshift. When they willfully are aware that the redshift can also be interpreted as evidence that the earth and the milkey way is located in center of the universe.

Every point in space was the center of the universe was invented by hubble because it conflict withs the earth being within the center of the universe because the redshift without hubbles invented hypothesis the redshift is evidence the earth is located within the center of the universe.

I personally think the Bosse-Einstein condensate has more to do with the expansion creation of the universe instead of a big bang due heat the heat came after the condensates expanded, this is kinda opposite to what were being taught but likely more accurate that a cold big bang where all points in space is not the center of the universe but where the earth is within the center of the universe, from where all these condensate seeds came forth expanding outward, from a common center, etc...

P.S. Is space expanding from a common center as the christian big bang suggests or is every point in the universe the center of the universe meaning no big bang. The expansion seems to make more sense that its accelerating faster at the fringes away from the center due all points of the universe is not the center and that the milkey way could be the very center of the universe, and that true nothingness at the fringes is aiding the acceleration of the expansion more at the fringes of the known universe than here in the milkey way.

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Message 92 of 131 (488435)
11-11-2008 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by cavediver
11-09-2008 6:51 AM


Re: Back again, and let's first dispense with this nonsense...
Think about this and digest it for a while, as it is quite mind-blowing. And note that we haven't even begun to talk about quantum theory or relativity - this is purely experimental result and classical thinking, and already our concept of 'physical' is starting to change, as all those properties we thought of as unique to physical objects, are actually properties of those invisible forces. What we think of physical, tangible objects are just the net result of a web of atomic scale forces.

It is interesting that invisible forces (not an alpha particle) in the natural are transmuting elements without the aid of an alpha particle. photons?

It is all quite mind blowing like how the chicken is transmuting the potassium in the creation of the egg and evidence the chicken came before the egg.

Stephen Hawkins however argues otherwise that the egg came first in spite of the egg being evidence that transmutation of atomic nucleur forces happened naturally, etc...

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Kervran's Proof of Biological Transmutation

*Note, however, that since gravity is infolded EM, one can have extremely powerful infolded EM, yet only have miniscule electrical (outfolded) residues. Thus the actual "available power" in artificial biopotentials may not be quite so small after all.

http://www.cheniere.org/books/aids/ch5.htm

Stephen Hawking and Christopher Langan argue that the egg came before the chicken, though the real importance of the question has faded since Darwin's "On The Origin Of Species" and the accompanying Theory of Evolution, under which the egg must have come first.[5][6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken-and-egg_problem

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