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danjuns
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Message 46 of 125 (65391)
11-09-2003 4:39 PM
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11-09-2003 4:30 PM


BTW when you're replying to a message, click over on the left where it says "*UBB Code is ON" and you can see all the codes. The one I use to make the blue boxes is the qs code.)
THANKS!!

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danjuns
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Message 47 of 125 (65398)
11-09-2003 4:46 PM
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11-09-2003 4:30 PM


Spacetime.
Which in my opinion is infinite.
All I am trying to say is that there is a possibility for infinite space within everything.

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crashfrog
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Message 48 of 125 (65399)
11-09-2003 4:48 PM
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11-09-2003 4:46 PM


Which in my opinion is infinite.
Maybe there's an infinite amount of it, but each string is only a finite amount of spacetime.

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Brad McFall
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Message 49 of 125 (65400)
11-09-2003 4:50 PM
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11-09-2003 4:26 PM


4H
Dan had pointed it out earlier one puts a string"QS" Materialanother string"/QS" with the 'square bace character in the place of where I put the """ so for intstance below I could have responded to Crash with
Matchette said on two pages in his Outline ,
The Zero-Atom Unit is, thus, the ultimate divergent of relative existence and in its role as building block is also the "unit of Polarity"; it is so to speak, the "carrier" of the influence of the Absolute throughout the Relative. For the polarization of the entire domain of the relative with the Absolute is effected VIA the Major Polarity coupling with the Zero-Atom Unit with the Absolute. Through this original polarization, "all the progeny" of the Zero-Atom Unit are also polarized with the Absolute. n.b. There is a difference to which we may call attention. Every Zero-Atom Unit is polarized with the Absolute directly, But combinations of Zero-Atom Units are, as entities, polarized with the Absolute directly. But combinations of Zero-Atom Units are, as entites, polarized with the Absolute ONLY through the Zero-Atom Units which compose them. It is in this way..."
and Matchette also said how AND WHY
What THIS interpretation of the ultimate constitution DOES entail, is some specific explanation of WHY these regularities do, in fact, obtain. For the physicist and the chemist, the WHY is forever beyond his apparatus.^13 It is to this domain, out of reach of the physical scientist, that the particular interpretation of the Zero-Atom, dual with the Absolute, as the ultimate constituent of relative existence, is relevant and explantory. For, in the character of the Zero-Ato-Unit, dual with the Absolute, we shall discover the causal substratum for the observed regularities, uniformities and orders of the relative realm.
This is not imagination and speculation but a requirement in the renewed discussion of absolute space and time brought up by Craw when attempting to take into effect the notion of levels of organzation as individuals with specific begninings and endings in empirical space. The other guys/gals here have yet to indicate that I am presenting a consistent view. It is not out of the blue but simply read as is. Crashfrog is simply using the same "prejudice" my two physicist brothers use when discussing change of form with me but I must say BOTH as the interpretation works compared to the Frog in the case that in fact one believes in a GOD and the other is asking.All I need supply is little Mendelian grammetology. All the naysayers can say is that I'vs got the wrong grounded substrate but with Wolfran's new kind of science even this objection is not the lack of understading it may still appear to be. I am still a "master" of this unit or domain.

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danjuns
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Message 50 of 125 (65408)
11-09-2003 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by crashfrog
11-09-2003 4:48 PM


but each string is only a finite amount of spacetime.
I agree, each string may be a finite amount of spacetime, but I believe that there are an infinite amount of cosmic string of infinitely varying size weaving a web of infinity.

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crashfrog
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Message 51 of 125 (65415)
11-09-2003 5:16 PM
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11-09-2003 4:59 PM


I agree, each string may be a finite amount of spacetime, but I believe that there are an infinite amount of cosmic string of infinitely varying size weaving a web of infinity.
Well, if you want to substitute mystical mumbo-jumbo for rational inquiry about the universe, that's your perogative. I don't see any difference between that and creationism, personally.

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danjuns
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Message 52 of 125 (65417)
11-09-2003 5:40 PM
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11-09-2003 5:16 PM


mystical mumbo-jumbo
Infinite space is not mystical mumbo-jumbo.
It's something you realize exists after years and years of asking yourself, HOW?
I know to you that probably sounds like a bunch of nonsence. But remember everyone has their own algorithoms to reach a desired conclusion.
P.S. this will be my last post for a bit because I have to step awat from my computer.
(not that you care)
I look forward to future discussions.

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crashfrog
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Message 53 of 125 (65429)
11-09-2003 6:00 PM
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11-09-2003 5:40 PM


Infinite space is not mystical mumbo-jumbo.
Then I trust you'll be able to support it with evidence, instead of metaphors like "weaving a web of infinity." What does that even mean?

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Beercules
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Message 54 of 125 (65474)
11-09-2003 9:04 PM
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11-09-2003 2:55 PM


Cyclic models are hard to rule out, however. Without a good way to know anything about quantum gravity, there is a lot of speculation around the really doesn't amount to much. For example, the cosmological constant that is now causing the universe to accelerate could reverse to have positive pressure and cause space to contract.
As I said, it's all speculation but we'll need to know something about quantum gravity to describe the earliest moments of the universe in the first place.

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Beercules
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Message 55 of 125 (65477)
11-09-2003 9:19 PM
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11-09-2003 5:40 PM


What does infinite space explain that finite space cannot? Either finite or infinite space brings up the issue of a beginning.

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danjuns
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Message 56 of 125 (65556)
11-10-2003 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Beercules
11-09-2003 9:19 PM


infinite space brings up the issue of a beginning.
Our universe may have a beginning but infinite space by definition, has NO beginning. Nor an end.

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danjuns
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Message 57 of 125 (65558)
11-10-2003 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by crashfrog
11-09-2003 6:00 PM


"weaving a web of infinity."
It refers to the possibility of an infinite web of cosmic strings.

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NosyNed
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Message 58 of 125 (65561)
11-10-2003 10:39 AM
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11-10-2003 10:10 AM


Ya know, it is possible to string words together and sound like you are saying something without having any actual content at all.

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danjuns
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Message 59 of 125 (65563)
11-10-2003 10:45 AM
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11-10-2003 10:39 AM


I'm sorry you can't understand.

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Beercules
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Message 60 of 125 (65569)
11-10-2003 11:49 AM
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11-10-2003 10:03 AM


I meant a beginning of time. An infinite universe still gets stuck with that problem. As well, a finite universe also has no edges or ends.

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