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John A. Davison 
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Message 82 of 151 (329832)
07-08-2006 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Sandor Szabados
07-07-2006 10:43 AM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
There is not a shred of evidence that a God now exists but there is absolutely no doubt that one or more Gods existed in the distant past. That is the whole thrust of the Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis and it cannot be denied by any objective observer.

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 84 of 151 (329895)
07-08-2006 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Sandor Szabados
07-08-2006 12:02 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
Sandor
I thanked you for the book as you recall. I would be delighted to see evidence for a living God but it is not there for me to recognize. That is all I have to say about God. I am a scientist, neither a philosopher nor a theologian. I hope you understand.
Best regards.

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 86 of 151 (329963)
07-08-2006 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Sandor Szabados
07-08-2006 5:51 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
Nonsense
The burden of proof is always on the one who claims there is something. It is only reasonable when something cannot be demonstrated to assume that it does not exist. What kind of a world would we live in if we always insisted on that which cannot be detected? That incidentally is exactly what the Darwinian world is. Evolution cannot be seen, yet it is going on all around us isn't it? Of course it is! If you don't believe me ask Richard Dawkins. He will tell you all about it in excruciating detail. So will every other Darwinian zealot.
I would love to believe in a loving caring personal God but it is quite impossible for me. Such an entity has no place in my science. I am not alone.
"To assume the existence of an unperceivable being... does not facilitate understanding the orderliness we find in the perceivable world."
Albert Einstein
"The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive."
ibid
He was equally adamant about professed atheists like Richard Dawkins. Incidentally, Dawkins has now decided that Einstein is his hero, apparently oblivious to what Einstein thought of the likes of himself.
"Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics and it springs from the same source... They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres."
ibid
Long before Einstein, Thomas Henry Huxley offered a similar appraisal.
"Of all the senseless babble I have ever had occasion to read, the demonstrations of these philosophers who undertake to tell us all about the nature of God would be the worst, if they were not surpassed by the still greater absurdities of the philosophers who try to prove that there is no God."
Amen.

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 88 of 151 (329975)
07-08-2006 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Sandor Szabados
07-08-2006 10:06 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
I beg your pardon. I never found it necessary to even ask to have my work proved wrong as it is in perfect accord with everything we really know. What I have done is show beyond a shadow of a doubt that both the Darwinian and the Fundamentalist views of the living world are without foundation. If you are going to get all exercised about our differences, it will only indicate your own insecurity. This does not require a reply.

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 90 of 151 (330085)
07-09-2006 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Sandor Szabados
07-09-2006 11:16 AM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
Sandor
The author of Urantia is unknown just as are the authors of the Bible. Just because you sent me a copy of Urantia does not make me a believer. What you are demonstrating is characteristic of all ideologues. You are perfectly intolerant of any departure from your own blind beliefs. In short you are a bigot and a religious fanatic. Now please don't vainly attempt to insult me any further because you have managed through your own unbridled behavior to alienate me forever.
Just as I and my references are not allowed to exist by the so-called "establishments," Fundamentalist and Darwinian, so now I have unilaterally decided that you no longer exist in my world, the world of science.
Incidentally, I am the least insecure person you ever knew. That is why I publish my convictions. Where may I find yours except on meaningless ephemeral internet forums like this one? You bore me. Got that? You may write that down.
It is hard to believe isn't it?

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 92 of 151 (330151)
07-09-2006 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Sandor Szabados
07-09-2006 3:47 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
What part of "you don't exist" don't you understand?

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 94 of 151 (330248)
07-10-2006 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Sandor Szabados
07-09-2006 9:55 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
I refer all to message 86 where I let Thomas Henry Huxley and Albert Einstein speak for me. So much for both sides in this idiotic debate between two "prescribed," congenital, irreversible ideologies neither one of which has anything whatever to do with organic evolution, a phenomenon no longer in progress.
"If you tell the truth, you can be certain, sooner or later, to be found out."
Oscar Wilde

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 95 of 151 (330249)
07-10-2006 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by John A. Davison
07-10-2006 7:08 AM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
By the way, in order to fully appreciate the depths to which some must descend, I suggest all visit my blog to witness the machinations of David Springer and jujuquisp. Pile on if it gives you pleasure. Any publicity is good publicity when dealing with degenerate minds.
newprescribedevolution.blogspot.com/
As I often say -
I love it so!

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 97 of 151 (330317)
07-10-2006 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Sandor Szabados
07-10-2006 10:22 AM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
Why do you contiue to question me when I have decided that you no longer exist? After all that is exactly what the Darwimps and the Fundies like yourself have done with me and all my references. Two can play that game. You are a Urantia-thumping fanatic and I have no truck with fanatics of any stripe.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
Winston Churchill
You are the perfect example. Prove it by carrying on!
Naturally -
I love it so!

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 99 of 151 (330362)
07-10-2006 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Sandor Szabados
07-10-2006 12:14 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
The man is the quintessential fanatic, exactly as defined by Winston Churchill, utterly incompetent to change either his mind or the subject.
It is hard to believe isn't it?
Needless to say -
I love it so!

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 101 of 151 (330567)
07-10-2006 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Sandor Szabados
07-10-2006 2:04 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
It is hard to believe isn't it?

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 103 of 151 (330586)
07-10-2006 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Sandor Szabados
07-10-2006 6:38 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
Continue please as I am fascinated.

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 105 of 151 (330611)
07-10-2006 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Sandor Szabados
07-10-2006 7:44 PM


Re: General Philosophy vs. Science
It is hard to believe isn't it?

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 107 of 151 (330728)
07-11-2006 7:12 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Sandor Szabados
07-10-2006 9:42 PM


Lawrence Welk
"wunnerful a wunnerful."
Lawrence Welk

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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John A. Davison 
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Message 109 of 151 (330814)
07-11-2006 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Sandor Szabados
07-11-2006 12:12 PM


Re: The Science of God, the Divine Prescriber
I recommend all read Martin Gardiner's appraisal of Urantia and its mystical authors.
It is hard to believe isn't it?

"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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