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Hyroglyphx
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Message 20 of 77 (387022)
02-25-2007 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Cold Foreign Object
02-23-2007 4:17 PM


Who built the pyramids?
Based on the above evidence we conclude that the Great Pyramid was built by persons with ultra-intellect (= descendants of Adam) and all the others are failed attempted copies built by North African sun worshippers.
I think I know where you are going with this. In the second chapter of Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus writes of Seth and his contemporaries:
"They also were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam's prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made two pillars, the one of brick, the other of stone: they inscribed their discoveries on them both, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad to this day." -Flavius Josephus
Siriad is the Biblical rendering of modern day Egypt. This raised question as to what exactly Josephus is referring to when he speaks of two pillars, one brick and the other of stone. Naturally, the first thing that comes to mind is the pyramids, but more specifically, the pyramid at Giza. But if this passage, which is rather cryptic, is all that we have to go by, I see no compelling reason to assume that the pyramids are what Josephus is mentioning. For one thing, the pyramids are replete with heiroglyphics. Is there any reason to assume that Seth and his contemporaries, who date back at about 5,600 years ago, used heiroglyphs to spread this information about them? Any Egyptologist would staunchly disagree.
I must admit, however, that when I first read this passage about two years ago in Antiquities, it immediately aroused my curiosity because I knew that Siriad meant Egypt. This caused me to later follow up on it. I checked the web and found scant evidence of any corroboration. I did, however, find a small discourse on it written by Alexander Winslow. I will allow Winslow to present his case and we can go from there.
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : typo
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : typo

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 23 of 77 (387056)
02-25-2007 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Cold Foreign Object
02-25-2007 5:57 PM


Re: Who built the pyramids?
The Great Pyramid contains no heiroglyphics within, unlike all the others. Since it became a tourist attraction it has been vandalized.
No heirolgyphs inside? How about on it? Because Josephus claimed that Seth and his immediate descendants and contemporaries inscribed their knowledge, particularly astronomical discoveries, on the pillars. Or are you saying that Josephus' account has nothing to do with what you are mentioning?
Again, the GP stands alone.
I'm unclear on what exactly the point is. You give a small description concerning the differences between the interior of the pyramids compared to the interior of other Egyptian structures. And then you say that it must have been built by ultra-intelligent descendants of Adam. For starters, every one is a descendant of Adam, be they ultra-smart or ultra-stupid. So that premise is moot. Secondly, you haven't explained why you think it is, presumably, direct descendants of Adam.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm a Bible student and I have no aversion to something like this if it is true. But if such an investigation is to shed any light on the subject, I think we need to find some qualifiers for it. What exactly has led you to this conclusion?

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 26 of 77 (387062)
02-25-2007 7:28 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Cold Foreign Object
02-25-2007 6:39 PM


Re: A timeline
Adam was dark-skinned or black. The mark of Cain was "whiteness."
Hmmmmm? This sounds like Nation of Islam propaganda. Oh wait, my bad... White people were created in by a mad scientist named Yacub 6,000 years in a failed experiment.
I don't think we have any idea what the mark of Cain was, however, the first people's likely were dark since being white means less pigmentation in skin cells.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 33 of 77 (387206)
02-27-2007 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Cold Foreign Object
02-26-2007 5:57 PM


Re: Who built the pyramids?
The only "exception" is SCANT writing above the King's Chamber. This "writing" has been proven a forgery.
Do you literally mean a "forgery" or do you mean a "later insertion" of the inscription?
The rest of the Great Pyramid had zero writings on any of its interior walls or passages or chamber walls.
Again, how does a person explain this compared to all the other pyramids WHICH ARE COVERED WITH WRITINGS?
I would agree that its very interesting, but this alone is only circumstantial evidence.
Josephus SAID that Sethites left two monuments; one made of brick (not in existence anymore) and the other made of stone in the land of Siriad. The latter is referring to the GP.
Josephus was not talking about bas-reliefs or inscriptions per se, he was talking about structures. Josephus is good evidence for the real builders of the GP. The GP existed before Egyptian civilization was founded.
Let me make certain that I am understanding you thus far. You are saying that Sethites erected two monuments as Josephus described, in Egypt, as described, and basically that the Egyptians had nothing to do with the design of the pyramids-- that Egyptians modeled their pyramids after the GP...? Am I understanding you correctly thus far?
If so, I have one question about that. Seth was the direct progeny of Adam and Eve. The line of Abel was wiped out and the Canaanites were basically banished. That leaves Seth and his wife to procreate. Naturally, if they lived upwards of 900 years, that is a lot of potential offspring, but is that enough to build the Great Pyramid? We still aren't entirely certain of how they physically created this architectural feat, nor has it been recreated using no industrial machinery. Therefore, were there even enough people alive on earth, let alone in Egypt, to create such a monolith?
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you say that it must have been built by ultra-intelligent descendants of Adam. For starters, every one is a descendant of Adam
Not according the evolutionists. They believe Adam never existed and that mankind descended from an ape ancestor.
Well, that's silly, even from an evolutionist point of view. Mitochondral DNA unambiguously proves that we indeed derive from one female. Why should they assume that was any different for Adam? Whether or not they believe in the Biblical version of the first man and first woman is inconsequential when the concept of Adam and Eve is all that is necessary.
How did persons in 12,000 to 2,500 BC, that is persons who just emerged from the so called Stone Age build the Seventh Wonder of the World?
Oh, believe me. I bring this up all the time to no avail. Its as if civilization just poofed in to existence with technology, a writing system, a code of law, etc. Perhaps because in some way they did appear abruptly which would discredit the evolutionary paradigm. It would be very hard to believe that 7,000 years ago that early man was grunting like an idiot and all of a sudden he was inspired and was mysteriously bestowed the ability of superior intellect only a few hundred years later.
Based on what Josephus said and based on the Egyptian Book of the Dead calling the GP "the pillar of Enoch"; and based on other massive evidence we know the GP was built by Enoch.
I'll have to read this some time. I must admit that I am very intrigued. I am going to reference the Dead Sea Scrolls tomorrow on the subject and see if it makes mention of it because if I recall, in the Book of Giants it lists a discourse on the life of Enoch.
These two points correspond to the long descending passage; and they typify mankinds descent into the pit (hell) under the influence of Satan. When we extend the passage out into space it directly intersects with the Dragon Star also known as Thuban. THIS star WAS the North Star WHEN the GP was built and it is the only north star which aligns to the passage way.
Okay, you lost me here. "When we extend the passage out into space it directly interesects with the Dragon Star also known as Thuban?" This sounds like some Art Bell stuff. What do you mean by extending the passage out into space that it could intersect with the North Star?
Go back and acquaint yourself with the first ascending passage. We know it is a narrow passage that a person MUST bend over in order to ascend. This upward climb while stooped over corresponds to mankind's ascent under the rigors of Mosaic Law.
I'm going to have to familiarize myself with all of this before I can truly formulate an opinion.

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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