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John A. Davison 
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Message 1 of 300 (315950)
05-29-2006 11:22 AM


I am pleased that I have been invited to once again join in discussion at EvC. I look forward to this opportunity to defend this new hypothesis concerning the mechanism of organic evolution. Since, beginning in 1984, I have now published several papers which have served as the basis for this hypothesis, I recommend they, along with my unpublished Manifesto, be given careful consideration by those who might choose not agree.

For my signature I propose:

A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.


John Amerpohl Davison

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Message 2 of 300 (315968)
05-29-2006 11:58 AM
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05-29-2006 11:22 AM


Deferring this to Admin (Percy)
Welcome back John - Now we'll see how this works out.

I am pleased that I have been invited to once again join in discussion at EvC.

This new development is largely Admin's (Percy's) project. I suggest that he be the one to handle this proposed topic.

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Message 3 of 300 (315989)
05-29-2006 12:48 PM
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05-29-2006 11:22 AM


John A. Davison writes:

For my signature I propose:

A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.

You can edit your signature by going to your profile. The profile link appears near the top left of most pages.

The main body of your post is some brief introductory comments about yourself. You need an opening post that briefly introduces your topic and describes your position. If you post that to this thread I'll promote it.


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John A. Davison 
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Message 4 of 300 (316003)
05-29-2006 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by John A. Davison
05-29-2006 11:22 AM


A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis
This hypothesis which was published under that title in Rivista di Biologia, 98: 155-166, 2005 is the subject of this thread. I am here to defend it.

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Message 5 of 300 (316008)
05-29-2006 1:24 PM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

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Message 6 of 300 (316023)
05-29-2006 2:19 PM
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05-29-2006 1:16 PM


Re: A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis
The non-admin mode will not be participating in this topic.

...Rivista di Biologia, 98: 155-166, 2005...

Unless there is an online version out there (is there?), I think this journal article is going to be pretty non-accessible to most (all?) of the other forum members.

JAD, you have a few items available via http://www.uvm.edu/~jdavison/. Would any of these be relevant to this topic? If so, which one would be the best one to focus on first?

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John A. Davison 
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Message 7 of 300 (316058)
05-29-2006 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Adminnemooseus
05-29-2006 2:19 PM


Re: A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis
Yes indeed. "A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis" is available at ISCID's "brainstorms" forum as are others of my more recent papers, both published and in press. My original 1984 paper is also now available there. All of my evolutionary papers were at one time available on the side bar at Uncommon Descent until David Springer deleted them without explanation. I am now banned at Uncommon Descent, ARN, Pharyngula, FringeSciences and Panda's Thumb. I must be doing something right to warrant such universal attention! That is why I am very grateful to be able to defend my thesis here at EVC.

Just plugging "Davison evolution" into Google will produce all of my evolutionary papers right along with some fascinating responses to them. It would be useful to digest this material before proceeding with a critical analysis of its significance. I recommend the same for the contributions of my several distinguished sources upon which the PEH firmly rests.


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Message 8 of 300 (316079)
05-29-2006 7:22 PM
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05-29-2006 5:25 PM


Not the oppositions job
It's not your debate opponent's obligation to track down your position statements at locations outside of this forum and topic, and bring them to this topic. It's not even their obligation to track down your position statements that you made in previous topics at this forum.

I'm not going to post links to your previous topics, as they are probably something best left in the past. If you, however, would like those links for your own reference purposes, please request such via e-mailing me via the "Mail" link at the bottom of this message.

If you wish to debate the merits of your position, it is your obligation to bring the text of that position to this topic. Of course, supplemental links are also welcome. Until such happens, there is going to be no debate.

TO THE JAD OPPONENTS: I also STRONGLY suggest that you refrain from bringing JAD position statements in from locations outside of this topic. In my opinion, doing such could well result in your being banned from "Showcase" forum participation. Let us let JAD have a fresh start.

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John A. Davison 
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Message 9 of 300 (316189)
05-30-2006 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Adminnemooseus
05-29-2006 7:22 PM


Re: Not the oppositions job
Excuse me. I do not regard ANYTHING that I have ever published as something "best left to the past." I stand by all my publications as well as my unpublished Manifesto.

I regard that as an inflammatory and quite unnecessary introduction to what I hope to be a reasonable, objective, civilized discussion. If my opponents choose not to read my papers or those of my sources there of course is nothing I can do about it. To modify an old saw:

"You can lead a man to the literature but you cannot make him read or comprehend it."


"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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Message 10 of 300 (316243)
05-30-2006 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by John A. Davison
05-29-2006 1:16 PM


Re: A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis
John A. Davison writes:

This hypothesis which was published under that title in Rivista di Biologia, 98: 155-166, 2005 is the subject of this thread. I am here to defend it.

For those who do not have access to Rivista di Biologia, do you wish to provide a link to some online material?

Here is a link to the article's abstract: A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis: Abstract

If the article in the Rivista is in any way related to your Evolutionary Manifesto paper, you may like to provide a link to it.

Also, if there's any clarifying or contextual information that you think would help in outlining the debate, this is the time to provide it.


--Percy
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John A. Davison 
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Message 11 of 300 (316259)
05-30-2006 10:47 AM
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05-30-2006 10:01 AM


Re: A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis
I see no reason to provide links to anything I have ever published. I am very well known on internet forums and so are my publications. I have told you where they may be found, along with the commentary they have evoked. That should be sufficient. The PEH has developed over a period of twenty-two years. Ye Gods, I introduced "A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis" right here at EvC even before it was submitted for publication! Any challenge to it should include those publications that preceded it and can be considered part of any response I might choose to make.

Who will represent the opposition if there is one? I hope they do not insist on anonymity. It is one of my pet peeves with internet communication. I do not take seriously comments from anonymous posters either here, elsewhere or on my blog. I will however respond provided they are civil.

I say lets get on with it!


"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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Message 12 of 300 (316261)
05-30-2006 11:14 AM
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Re: A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis
John A. Davison writes:

Who will represent the opposition if there is one? I hope they do not insist on anonymity. It is one of my pet peeves with internet communication. I do not take seriously comments from anonymous posters either here, elsewhere or on my blog.

Since that is your wish, those provided access to this forum who are anonymous will be advised to avoid this thread.

Can you suggest any members of EvC Forum with whom you'd like to discuss this topic? Or, if you know of people at other forums whom you would like to invite then please go ahead, just let me know who they are so I can provide them access.


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John A. Davison 
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Message 13 of 300 (316265)
05-30-2006 11:35 AM
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05-30-2006 11:14 AM


Re: A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis
Nonsense. You invited me here. I have responded. You either have those who oppose me or you don't. If they must remain anonymous that is fine with me. Do what you have to do. I will not choose my adversaries. That is your job apparently. I will respond to them however they represent themselves. If they must remain anonymous that suits me just fine. In fact it will please me. I repeat - lets get on with it.


"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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Message 14 of 300 (316268)
05-30-2006 11:49 AM
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05-30-2006 6:37 AM


Re: Earlier evcforum.net topics about JAD's material
Adminnemooseus, in message 8, writes:

I'm not going to post links to your previous topics, as they are probably something best left in the past.

John A. Davison, in reply, writes:

Excuse me. I do not regard ANYTHING that I have ever published as something "best left to the past." I stand by all my publications as well as my unpublished Manifesto.

Perhaps I was unclear in my above quoted statement. What I was referring to were, specificly, the previous topics that JAD was involved in. It was not aimed to include any of your published or unpublished works outside of your topics postings.

JAD writes:

I regard that as an inflammatory and quite unnecessary introduction to what I hope to be a reasonable, objective, civilized discussion.

I think that a significant portion of the previous topic's contents ended up (not placing blame on anyone in specific) not being "reasonable, objective, civilized discussions". That is why I suggested that "they are probably something best left in the past". These past topics are not hidden - They can be easily found by anyone who cares to look. But I have choosen to not specificly point out any of them.

It has been pointed out to me, in the "Private Administration Forum", that you do have a draft of the paper "A Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis" on file here at . It can be found at http:///DataDropsite/APrescribedEvolutionaryHypothesis.html.

Perhaps you would like to bring a portion (not all at once) of that paper into this topic? Where would you like to start the discussion?

Adminnemooseus

Added by edit: In regards to http:///DataDropsite/APrescribedEvolutionaryHypothesis.html - I note that an illustration seems to have been lost. Perhaps Admin/Percy can fix that. Also, somewhere along the way, the formatting got a little weird, with a bunch of question marks apparently being substituted for " marks.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.


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John A. Davison 
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Message 15 of 300 (316333)
05-30-2006 3:40 PM
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05-30-2006 11:49 AM


Re: Earlier evcforum.net topics about JAD's material
I am here at your invitation and anxious to proceed. Start where you want, when you want and with whomever you want. I am not getting an younger as any one can tell from my profile.


"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."

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