Theistic Evolution

Theism is the belief that a supernatural Deity created the universe, the earth and life as we know it, and the same IS knowable intruding into the affairs of mankind. Deism believes the same EXCEPT the Deity is unknowable and DOES NOT intrude into the affairs of mankind.Atheism denies the existence of any Deity and the supernatural.ALL atheists accept and rabidly defend the Theory of Evolution, and most evolutionists, according to all polls are Theistic Evolutionists or Christians.How could Christians, that is, persons who believe a resurrection miracle occurred accept the ORIGINS theory that all atheists accept?If a resurrection miracle occurred then logically so did special creation miracles. But the fact of the matter remains: TEists and Atheists agree on ORIGINS that a supernatural deity is not responsible for the appearance of design seen in reality.Logically, when Christians and Atheists agree on ORIGINS one group is not genuinely as such since Christians and Atheists are mortal worldview enemies.We need only to explain why TEists THINK they are Christians when their views and positions say they are not.How is a claim of Christianity substantiated and verified?Answer: Agreement with the Bible?I contend that TEists are not real Christians based on the fact that when Christians and Atheists agree on origins then one party must be deceived.Ray

It's not a matter of opinion: ALL atheists believe and accept ToE.IF ToE had anything to do with supporting God atheists would not support. They support because ToE supports their worldview. Your blue box reply lacks any logic or common sense (= inability to refute). Imagine that: a miracle in the Bible occurred and you are supposedly having a relationship with the Risen Christ but you believe the origins theory that all atheists use to justify their worldview.You are confused or deceived. The main claim of ToE is that a supernatural deity is not responsible for the appearance of design seen in nature. Now that I know you are an uneducated Fundamentalist I have nothing more to say.Ray

You need to pay attention. I emphasized ORIGINS by capitalization. Again, I ask: How could persons who know a miracle occurred agree with atheists concerning ORIGINS? Imagine that; one miracle in the Bible is true but not creation miracles. Did you forget that in many places the Bible records the lineage of Christ to descend from "the first man Adam"?Imagine that; your risen Savior did not descend from Adam, how do you know you are forgiven and have salvation if the Bible is wrong about Christ's lineage?Can your reply contain any logic or common sense? The main claim of ToE is that Deity is not responsible for the appearance of design seen in nature. Mindless natural selection is. The adjective of "mindless" is the chief characteristic of the process and that trait is logically judged NOT to be the result or expression of an intelligent deity.You should consult the Darwinists on this board concerning the main claim of ToE.You too are now outed as an ignorant Fundamentalist of which I have nothing more to say.Ray

Jesus was a Creationist. How is your Savior a Creo while the source of info about Jesus is wrong about origins?WWJD?Not what you or I would do.The proper question is: What Would Jesus Have Me To Do?Answer: point out that in John 6 Jesus said He chose Judas/TEists knowing in advance that he was a son of the devil/traitor from the beginning.The Bible corresponds to reality: like Judas, TEists are traitors.Ray

The epitome of contradiction = TEism.You care more about what the world thinks of you rather than God. Comment assumes the Bible does not mean what it says.Who would assert the Bible does not mean what it says?Answer: Darwinists/atheists.Why?Answer: Because ToE and the Bible are diamterically contraposition. Could we expect the enemies of the Bible to believe anything else? ToE is literally true but not the source of salvation. Only Darwinists believe this.How could atheists and Christians get along concerning origins?Answer: one group is not genuinely as such. The Bible says you are a Judas traitor. You kiss the ass of atheists and do their bidding by saying the Bible does not mean what it says.You agree with them on origins. You are a traitor, like Judas.The Bible corresponds to reality: persons who THINK they are close to Jesus (Judas/TEists) are actually betraying Him to His face (Judas kiss). You are deceived according to the Bible. The state of being deceived means that you think that you are alright with God (like Judas did) BUT YOU ARE NOT.When Satan was through with Judas he left him. How do we know Satan was through with Judas?He came to his senses and his conscience smote him; he gave back the blood money and went out and hanged himself.The fact that you think I am not a Christian, is the best evidence that I am. The moment a Darwinist, that is, a TEist, that is, a person who agrees with atheists concerning origins thinks I am a Christian - that would be the best evidence that I am not. Glad you think I am not.Ray

Your Fundamentalism is confirmed.The foundational claim of ToE says God is not responsible for producing physical reality: natural processes are. Supernatural and natural are antonyms, Ms. Falwell or in this case Ms. Ken Miller.If ToE had anything to do with proving God atheists would not support. Since all atheists support ToE was does that tell you? (this is rhetorical).You are an excellent example of an ignorant person who has no idea of the objective claims of ToE = typical TEism - the Fundies of ToE.Ray

Randman:Just ignore Subbie; there is nothing anyone can do for a person who believes ToE was not developed to "evidence" that there is no God.She refuses to acknowledge the fact that all atheists rabidly support ToE and what that logically means.Fundamentalism has no bounds; especially in Darwinism.Ray