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Percy
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Message 22 of 37 (379742)
01-25-2007 11:44 AM 		Reply to: Message 19 by Cold Foreign Object
01-24-2007 4:41 PM

Re: Please welcome the Darwinian Deity
Hi Ray,
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Lewontin did not believe anything such as is stated in that paragraph. Not having access to the original article I can only guess what the actual context was. Possibly this paragraph was preceded by the sentence, "The usual argument against natural selection goes like this."
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--Percy
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01-25-2007 2:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 23 by Jon
01-25-2007 1:42 PM

Re: To Sink so Low...
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Dr. Lewontin never said these things, and they are not his own words.
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I wasn't able to find any indication that those weren't Lewontin's words. Are you sure he didn't write them?
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--Percy
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Percy
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01-25-2007 4:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 25 by Cold Foreign Object
01-25-2007 3:12 PM

Re: Please welcome the Darwinian Deity
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The outer and larger context of the quote was made in context of special pleading.
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Can you provide that "outer and larger context" please?
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--Percy
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01-25-2007 9:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 31 by Cold Foreign Object
01-25-2007 5:37 PM

Re: Please welcome the Darwinian Deity
Hi Ray,
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It looks like Augray already explained this to you. The Lewontin paragraph you quoted was followed by a paragraph that begins, "The trouble with this analysis is..." That paragraph explains why the analysis presented in your quote doesn't hold up.
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I think there must be some more global context that we're missing, because Lewontin's eventual point seems both dumb and poorly made, and Lewontin was neither dumb nor a poor logician. But I can't even guess what that global context might be.
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--Percy
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