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Author Topic:   Is talkorigins.org a propoganda site?
DominionSeraph
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Message 294 of 301 (300768)
04-04-2006 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by randman
02-07-2006 4:45 PM


randman writes:
Clearly, they deliberately use propaganda stating "evolution" is observed to argue for an entirely different definition of "evolution" the grand concept embracing a plurality of hypothesis and theories. In other words, they talk out of both sides of their mouth. They say evolution is observed, and then use the same word to describe the Theory of Evolution, which is not observed.
What kind of idiot has a problem figuring out that you can't observe something that happened before you were born?
randman writes:
Regardless of inconsistencies in some articles, the effort overall is very clear. They are using different definitions of evolution within the same logic in a manner indicative of propaganda.
Kevin Kelly -- Chapter 15: Artificial Evolution
Kevin Kelly -- Chapter 15: Artificial Evolution
"The 80 evolved, and the 22 is a product of evolution."
Are you confused over whether you and the 22 (or 80) share a common ancestor?
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DominionSeraph
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Message 298 of 301 (300778)
04-04-2006 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 292 by Dierotao
04-03-2006 11:23 PM


Re: Talk.Origins - First days review
Dierotao writes:
It was also a bit of a mockery to include a link about the Flat Earth Society, holding all of 3000 members worldwide, as if any Creationist actually believe it. Of course it says 'most' do not, but it's inclusion is simply to mock Creationists.
It does have the use of the reason stated, serving as an example of just how obstinante a Literalist can be in their denial of reality. When dealing with round-Earth Creationists, it effectively undermines the reasoning, "Nobody can be this delusional. They must be joking," as the level of delusion could obviously be even worse.
Dierotao writes:
It would be the same if a Creation site had links for Raelianism, saying 'some' Evolutionists actually believe such nonsense (I actually do know one). It's just for the purpose of mockery and is quite unprofessional.
You do realize that the form would be:
"I interpret the Bible to mean 'X'. 'X' is true."
Hahahahah!! What idiots!
...don't you?
Showing that the Bible can be used to reach insane beliefs wouldn't exactly be a good thing for a Creationist website to be pointing out.
Dierotao writes:
"We cannot observe the supernatural, so the only way we could reach the supernatural explanation would be to eliminate all natural explanations. But we can never know that we have eliminated all possibilities. Even if a supernatural explanation is correct, we can never reach it". But then here they say: "Nothing in the real world can be proved with absolute certainty. However, high degrees of certainty can be reached". So, if it is for Evolution, high degrees of certainty can 'prove' it true. But against Evolution, it would be impossible to disprove it (as we can "never know that we have eliminated all possibilites").
Improper substitution.
The former rules out disproving that the underlying explanation is naturalistic -- not that that explanation is Evolution.
Dierotao writes:
In conclussion, I was disappointed by the site, and do believe it has more to do with propoganda than the pursuit of truth.
Remember, the authors are human. Patience is easy when you're dealing with your first few recalcitrant Creos -- and you'll likely see these evos spelling out their arguments in full, as they're checking for weaknesses in their and their opponents' arguments, ordering their thoughts, etc. When an evo is on his thousandth Creo, though; you'll find that the points have generally been shortened considerably, and there's very little patience for, "You're wrong 'cause I'm right 'cause the Bible sez so so nyah lalalalalalalala I can't heeearrrr yoooou."
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