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Author Topic:   Is creationism science?
crashfrog
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Message 79 of 114 (392464)
03-31-2007 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Reserve
03-31-2007 3:20 PM


Re: science
Well, almost everything you've said is absolutely false.
Evolution and creationism are assumptions used in science to get interpretations.
This is false. Evolution is the scientific theory that explains the diversity and history of life on Earth by the processes of natural selection and random mutation. It is a conclusion from evidence, not an assumption.
Creationism is a modern religious movement associated with conservative, Evangelical Christianity that promulgates falsehoods. When evidence is shown to creationists that contradicts the Bible, they ignore or attack it.
Evolutionists assumption is that there is no God
This couldn't be more false. Evolution is not a theological position; it makes no assumptions about the existence of God. Rather, it's a scientific model that explains the history and diversity of life, and how all living things are related by common ancestry.
I mean, what you're saying is ridiculous. The majority of American churches, as well as the Catholic church, reject creationism and accept the scientific consensus of evolution. Are you saying that none of those churches believe in God? That the Pope is an atheist? That's nonsense.
Creationists - world wide catastrophe -> *look in bible* -> Noah's flood
The problem is that these creationist "explanations" don't actually explain the pattern of fossils as we find them.
The evolutionary model does, which is why it's accepted by the consensus of scientists and creationism is not.
Many people misunderstand science, evolution, and creationism.
Just you, looks like.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1466 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 98 of 114 (393820)
04-07-2007 2:26 PM
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04-07-2007 3:05 AM


To every knew idea to a scientist God says duuuhhh.
Well, I like to think that if God exists, he's a little more charitable towards the people who have devoted their lives to uncovering the mystery of his creation. But, if you insist that your God acts like a petulant 10-year-old, I guess I'll have to take your word for it. (We do, after all, create God in our image.)
Nonetheless - it's interesting that, despite what you say, the Bible has been the source of absolutely zero scientific knowledge of any kind.

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crashfrog
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Message 112 of 114 (393905)
04-08-2007 11:08 AM
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04-08-2007 4:13 AM


well it was written so that people could understand it 2000 years ago also.
People 2000 years ago weren't idiots. They were largely just as smart as you or I, if you correct for the likelihood of undernourishment or fetal alcohol syndrome.
This idea that people 2000 years ago weren't ready to understand something that they were seeing in front of their eyes - the idea that you could make changes to a population of animals by selective breeding, and the realization that their natural environment does the same thing, for instance - is ridiculous.
Are you aware that crops like maize (corn) and wheat aren't natural? That we didn't find them that way? For instance, Central American farmers bred what we think of as corn nearly 7500 years ago, from a kind of grass. You're telling me that people like those ancient genetic engineers weren't smart enough to know facts that, today, we teach to ten-year-olds? I find that hard to believe.
The reason that the Bible is responsible for absolutely no scientific discoveries throughout it's history is because the Bible is substantially wrong on nearly every testable statement it makes about the universe and the things that live in it.
Life is our experiment. Pass or fail? It's learning the true way out the maze.
Much like House, M.D., I find it more than a little ridiculous to suggest that this life is just a test for eternity. What a pointless way to waste your life, believing it's just a test.

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