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Archer Opteryx
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Message 61 of 114 (371950)
12-24-2006 8:35 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Dr Adequate
12-22-2006 6:19 AM


trade secret: pounding the uppercase
Dr Adequate:

Claiming otherwise, even if you use capital letters to do so, is not likely to fool anyone.

A fundamentalist preacher once joked that many sermon outlines contain this note in the margin:

Weak argument. Pound pulpit.

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Edited by Archer Opterix, : title.


Archer

All species are transitional.


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Message 62 of 114 (382698)
02-05-2007 8:02 PM


No
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Message 63 of 114 (382730)
02-05-2007 9:11 PM
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02-05-2007 8:02 PM


Replying correctly
Welcome to EVC I AM.

Could you be careful to use the little green reply button on the lower right of the post that you are responding too? That allows email noticification to the person you reply too and allows others to follow the thread more easily.

In addition, "No" isn't much of a post. It is traditional to copy the point you are replying to into your reply. Surround it with [ qs ] [ /qs ] codes and it will be flagged as a quote.

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doctrbill
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Message 64 of 114 (382957)
02-06-2007 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by 4Pillars
12-20-2006 6:46 PM


Re: Micro-evolution of Prehistoric Mankind & Human
-- the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) ... the Daughters of Men (human),

Two questions.

1). - Do you believe that Genesis One is an historical account of what happened at the beginning of time?

2). - What is the difference between "mankind" and "human"?


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zcoder
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Message 65 of 114 (390640)
03-21-2007 11:50 AM


I might have the wrong bible you all are reading.
Mine only says "The Holy Bible", Mine does not say "The Holy Science Bible"

Could someone point me to where I can get the other copy at??

Zcoder....


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Wounded King
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Message 66 of 114 (390644)
03-21-2007 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by zcoder
03-21-2007 11:50 AM


I think Henry Morris and Walt Brown have copies, and possibly Philip E. Johnson.

TTFN,

WK


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zcoder
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Message 67 of 114 (390655)
03-21-2007 12:36 PM


Well, think about it for a minute. We are suppose to be modern man.
and those people back then who wrote it are not as advanced as we
are today.

Becouse if I recorded them on tape then played it back to them I think
they would freak out.

I was told the bible only holds information on philosophy and to get to
know who god is. thats it. nothing else.

And as modern men, we all should be intelagent to know this.
so even though there are people who try to tie the evens of non-modern
mans view at the time together with todays knowledge is foolish at best.

it's just plain silly to see modern man act this way.

Zcoder....


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Message 68 of 114 (390681)
03-21-2007 2:30 PM
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03-21-2007 12:36 PM


zcoder,
  1. Instead of using the general reply button, please use the little green reply button in the lower right-hand corner of the post you're replying to. That way we know who you're talking to.

  2. Instead of jumping around to several different topics with the same arguments, please stay in one place and finish a discussion. For example, you and I have unresolved issues in the Bible Accuracy and Inerrancy forum.


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zcoder
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Message 69 of 114 (390683)
03-21-2007 2:50 PM
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03-21-2007 2:30 PM


No we had an interpretation problem, which can not be solved.
And I truly believe that. And I do believe that we both beat that
dog to death already.

And so I believe the poor dog deserves to rest in peace.
And by the way, I really do respect your believe in that.

Zcoder....


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ringo
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Message 70 of 114 (390687)
03-21-2007 3:02 PM
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03-21-2007 2:50 PM


zcoder writes:

And by the way, I really do respect your believe in that.

On the contrary, I don't think you have the first clue what my beliefs are. You have accused me of being a Bible literalist and of hating people of faith.

Come back to Bible Accuracy and Inerrancy and try to understand what is being said instead of taking Olympic-caliber long jumps to conclusions.

If you would pay attention, you would see that we do not have an "interpretation problem". The dog is not dead - you haven't even come close to hitting it.

Edited by Ringo, : Shpelling.


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zcoder
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Message 71 of 114 (390691)
03-21-2007 3:13 PM
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03-21-2007 3:02 PM


Your right, I don't know what your beliefs are.
But like I said, I truly respect them.

Zcoder....


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Message 72 of 114 (390694)
03-21-2007 3:22 PM
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03-21-2007 3:13 PM


zcoder writes:

Your right, I don't know what your beliefs are.
But like I said, I truly respect them.

Then show some respect. Respond to Message 127.


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b b
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Message 73 of 114 (391630)
03-26-2007 3:20 PM


I believe religion and science to be the same as they both attempt to do the same thing; explain life. My personal opinion is with religion because science does not stand firm on any belief. Science is only right until proven wrong. Then they change what science says. How can that be truth. (guy 1 says)The Earth is flat. (guy 2 says) No I just got back from the other side. (guy 1 says) Let me see the proof and I'll say what you said. I don't think creationism is a science because it was here before science. Creationism is religion(with a fancy name). I believe science, however, to be a religion also with more than one god. Man. The bible is, as I believe, God's explanation of life. Science is man's explanation of life. I choose to believe God. God is not a man that he should lie. In science we(nice way of saying you) take the word of men we've never met. Yet there are smart people we know who we don't believe a word they say. Darwin could have been wrong, Darwin could have been lying, Darwin could have not even said those things. People could have paraphrased what he really meant. (I often do this to science because everyone does this to the bible) So someone could have changed the bible but no one would ever change a Science book (Sarcasm). I say this to say Creationism is not a science; it is much too stable. Science changes every generation to cover up the FACT that it was wrong. I'm surprised history books still admit that people once thought the Earth was flat. Science told them that. One day history will stop teaching that and the new generation will believe that we always knew the Earth was round.
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Chiroptera
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Message 74 of 114 (391634)
03-26-2007 3:39 PM
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03-26-2007 3:20 PM


quote:
Science is only right until proven wrong.

That sounds reasonable to me. If evidence turns up to show that you are wrong, then shouldn't you admit it? What sort of nutcake insists that she is right even when the facts demonstrate quite conclusively that she is wrong? This is the problem with creationists -- they cannot admit that they are wrong about the history of the universe despite clear evidence that they are.

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quote:
God is not a man that he should lie.

How do you know that? According to creationists, God did just that when he dictated Genesis to Moses.

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quote:
Darwin could have been wrong.

The physical evidence, though, shows that he was mostly right.

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quote:
I say this to say Creationism is not a science; it is much too stable.

That is the problem. Despite creationism being obviously wrong, people insist that it is correct. That seems to be a sign of mental instability to me.

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One day history will stop teaching that and the new generation will believe that we always knew the Earth was round.

Actually, the opposite phenomenon is usually the case. That is, pop history usually tries to portray ealier periods as more silly and less sophisticated than the present in order to give the impression that we are at the end of a long road of progress.


Actually, if their god makes better pancakes, I'm totally switching sides. -- Charley the Australopithecine
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Message 75 of 114 (391665)
03-26-2007 6:09 PM
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03-26-2007 3:20 PM


quote:
Science changes every generation to cover up the FACT that it was wrong.

That's one way to look at it.

Another way to look at it is that science gets righter and righter every time it corrects itself.

Are you actually saying that you think that the science that our modern medical technology is based on is less reliable because it is constantly improving?


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