Bible Codes Prove Evolution!!!

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If you have free time on your hands get a copy of Torah (five books of Moses, aka Old Testament) writen in Hebrew and do a little experiment.

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You do realize that 'the five Books of Moses', 'the Torah', and 'the OT' aren't all that synonymous?You also realize that the Hebrew we have isn't the 'original' by a long shot? The oldest we've got is actually the Greek Septuagint. The Masoretic was written/compiled/edited between 6-10AD. Every book but Esther is represented at Qumran by fragments only. Now they are all pretty similar but if you are going to play games with letter order, I'd think that it would be important to have a 'perfect' copy. And we don't. Consider:

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That letter "Tav" should appear at the end of first word - "Bereshit" (heb. In the beggining of).

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"b" is an article-- the equivalent of the English "in, with" but Hebrew attaches the articles to the word, which in this case is "reshit."

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From that letter count fifty letters, the fiftieth letter will be letter "Vav", count another fifty letters, the fiftieth will be letter "Resh", one more time count fifty letters and you'll find letter "Heh".

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Why 50? The value of 'tav' is 400. Wouldn't it make more sense to count to 400? Perhaps you choose 50 'cause it just works out neatly?

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Coincidence? Maybe.

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Yup. You can find similar things in any book of decent size. You just have to play with the numbers. Famous assinations fortold in Moby Dick! And other cool math tricks as well.

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There are a lot of very smart people out here, I'm sure you can come up with the answer.

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A lot of very smart mathematicians say this is crap. You do agree that this rests on statistic, probability and such like, upon which mathematicians are qualified to comment? No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.math.caltech.edu/code/petition.html

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ps. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to use this as a prove of God, just a bizar thing to wonder about.

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Yeah, kinda neat but also kinda meaningless.------------------
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The oldest you've got, maybe.

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Me? The septuagint is the oldest you, I or anyone else has, except for fragments here and there. I hate to break it to you.

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Greek Septuagint was simply used by Hellenistic Jews to translate Old Testament between years 250 - 150 B.C. for the Greeks since there was growing interest for the Torah among Pagan Greece.

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hmmm... you realize that Hebrew was an almost dead language and that the Septuagint wasn't translated for the pagans but for the Jews who could no longer speak their ancient tongue? Still more info: Introduction to the Old TestamentStrike two for you.

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It has nothing to do with Hebrew or original scriptures.

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I believe you are confused. This statement doesn't really make sense in context.

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The oldest Hebrew known is Ancient Hebrew, which dates back to 3000 B.C. http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/5_intro.html

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And this matters how? The issue isn't the origin of the language but of a particular set of books written in that language. There are no copies of the OT in Ancient Hebrew.

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Simply because even if we don't the message is so profound that it can be seen in no matter which form of Hebrew alphabet.

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I get the impression that you think it was a simple matter of transliterating the text-- substituting one letter for another another. It wasn't. Languages change. Do you think spelling and grammar remained unchanged for a couple of thousand years before the text was standardized? It didn't. Hebrew has gone through several changes of spelling, as pointed out in an earlier post. This is an important consideration if you are going to play letter-order games.

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Makes sense or not, begining of each book, same sequence, fact.

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It is equally a fact that you can do the same thing with pretty much any book. That is the problem. Are there codes in all books?

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What's your point?

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The point is that is a math trick and most mathematicians know this.

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yep, kind of like your post. (no offense )

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No offense? None taken. The quality of your posts is such that I can only laugh at the pretentiousness of statements like this. You've obviously not done much research, or don't know how to research perhaps.------------------
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Do you even pay attention to what you write???

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Certainly. I must pay attention, because you do not.

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Please, sort out your "original" language and earliest "translation" language.

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It is you who are confused.Please show me where I stated that the OT was ORIGINALLY in greek. I stated that the septuagint is the oldest we've got. It is a translation. It is still the oldest we've got. Please pay attention. Hubris and idiocy are poor bedfellows.

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They can't be the same, can they? I mean, you don't write Bible in Septuagint and then translate it to Septuagint, do you?

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?????? Write it in 'septuagint'? The 'septuagint' isn't a language. It is the name of a book. The 'septuagint' was written in Greek.

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Hmmm... Perhaps you sould read Josephus Flavius

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I am aware of what Josephus has to say. Josephus is A source not an infallible one. Let's look at a few things.

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...who actually writes about his own time (and a little bit before that...

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In regard to the septuagint, Josephus is actually writing about events which occured three hundred years previously. This is hardly 'writing about his own time.' Josephus, like pretty much all of the historians of the time, recorded what he had heard. That is, he recorded folk tale and legend, as well as fact. Remember the Alamo? Most people 'remember' it incorrectly. The legend has superseded the fact.

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instead of supplying me with Catholic sites and works by Sir Godfrey Driver

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It is improper to cite scholars in the field? Please... you sound like a child.Josephus' account is based in a tradition that started with what is called the Letter of Aristeas. There are some problems with this letter which you can read about here. The author clearly dispels the legend, though equivocates on why the septuagint was written.Here is a nice neat account. Read it. I dare you. No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Septuagint.htm

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do you really belive that a country forgot it's own language while living in it's own country?

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They weren't a country, nor were they living in 'their' country. The Isrealites had been shuffled around as slaves and chased around as outcasts for many hundreds of years.

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It's like saying Americans forgot English because of too much Chineese imigrants.

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More like saying the Chinese immigrants forgot Chisese once they moved to the US. You might want to check the stats. The use of a native tongue drops in the second generation.hmmm... the majority of native american indians have more or less forgot thier tongues and they are living in 'their' country. In WW2, for example, the US used Navajo(?) as a code because there were only 30-something speakers of the language. The time frame is about right as well.

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I know, I smoke pot sometimes, but what the hell are you smoking?

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It is perhaps the fact that I don't smoke pot, or anything else, that I am able to think critically about these things. The pot does explain the blatant disregard for fact and the opting for myth instead.

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Anyways, Hebrew never was a dead language

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Nope, but damn close.

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in every period they had some books written in Hebrew (which means it was remembered)

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Latin is considered a dead language, yet there are books written in it and some people can read them-- proportionally, very very few people. Thus the need for translations from Latin into other languages. The hebrew of the time was in a similar position.

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After all, how do you think, Israelis in 1948, established their State with Hebrew as their primary language? A Hebrew fairy came by?

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Actually, it was a guy named Eliezar Ben Yehuda (1858-1922). No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.morim.com/hebrew_us.htmYou may note: How many people do you think read Hebrew when next to no one spoke it?

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The diference between the two is mostly SPELLING.

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Depends on how ancient you mean. Modern Hebrew is based on the Hebrew of the Masoretic more or less. But the Masoretic is between 2500 and 1500 years younger than the original OT, depending on the particular book. We don't have COPIES OLDER THAN THE MASORETIC.

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but there are copies in Hebrew, read something about Dead Sea Scrolls. Once you've done Google research, let me know what you found on the NET.

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The Dead Sea Scrolls contain fragments of the various books of the OT. Frequently very tiny fragments and there are variant versions of the texts represented. I mentioned, in a previous post, that I am aware of this. Perhaps you are not paying attention?

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I mean, I admire your ambition and all but to quote "Sir Godfrey Driver" on ancient hebrew history (taken of an internet site found on google) and automatically assume you are right... hmmmm, no comment...

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Actually, I'd bet that I've been researching this longer than you've been out of diapers, or damn near. From what I see, you swallow every myth that comes your way, so maybe you need to do the research now.

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As far as bible code... I really don't care.

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LOL.... right.------------------
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