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Author Topic:   What does life do outside of science?
joshua221 
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Message 97 of 112 (274487)
12-31-2005 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by crashfrog
09-11-2005 10:33 AM


Science is the study of the physical world. One cannot know of anything that is of importance within the realm of science. Meaning, true purpose, it all comes in the realm of spirituality, God, the search for truth. Socrates said it best when he discussed what he thought was truly important in life.

Not that Science is bad thing, but it is largely unimportant in what is truth in life, and in what comes after life.

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I find science to be both a source of meaning and value, so it's not clear to me, exactly, what you're talking about here. Why can't science inform us as to the value and meaning of our lives?

Because as much as what surrouds us can speak to us at times, what really matters exists within ourselves. The measurment and calculation of this earth is not what life is about. Nwr will tell me that it is subjective, but one cannot be a relativist, there lies in life, absolute truth. And these truths exist in the pursuit of God.

Read the book "Demian" by Herman Hesse.


"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh

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joshua221 
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Message 98 of 112 (274491)
12-31-2005 7:18 PM
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09-29-2005 7:46 AM


Re: I don't get it at all
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Isn't it obvious that, if God exists, God doesn't want us to believe it exists? That would explain the lack of intervention, the failure to provide any type of guidance or message, and the irrefutable appearance in the universe of things not being designed. It would explain the fact that, no matter what we study, we can explain it without recourse to the intervention of God. The very nature of the universe proclaims one obvious truth - either God doesn't exist, or it's absolutely determined to convince us that it doesn't. So shouldn't you take it at it's word?

"The world is illusory, Brahma alone is real."

The hindus have said that this physical realm is an illusion, that traps mankind into believing that it is what is true. These seemingly "tell-tale" signs that you have seen and observered telling you that God doesn't exist is part of this trap, or illusion.


"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh

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joshua221 
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Message 100 of 112 (274493)
12-31-2005 7:35 PM
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12-31-2005 7:18 PM


Re: The physical world
"Those" do not pertain to my destiny.


"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh

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joshua221 
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Message 102 of 112 (274535)
01-01-2006 12:46 AM
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01-01-2006 12:23 AM


Re: The physical world
There are those who wander the earth seeking truth who desire not food or water, I forget their name, but they are in the book Siddhartha, may be fictional, but I am sure there does exist people of the same nature. They attempt to lose all of their desires, but they always end up begging someone for something to eat, or drink after long periods of fasting.

The point is clear. I think that spirituality is of more importance to mankind, then is even survival.

But sir, you need survival to think.

I know, but those who starve know God.

You are right though, I am lucky. I know that though. I was born here. I try to take advatage of it. But I know that if I was in a tribal land, I would still find God, the soul's satisfaction is main priority, not satisfaction of the body.


"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh

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joshua221 
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Message 105 of 112 (274555)
01-01-2006 1:39 AM


haha double poster.


"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh

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joshua221 
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Message 109 of 112 (275392)
01-03-2006 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by nwr
01-01-2006 2:08 AM


Re: The physical world
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What troubles me about some of your posts, is that you seem to be lacking perspective. My challenging of your posts is in the hope that you will develop a better perspective.

What is a better perspective?

What exactly do you mean?


"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh

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joshua221 
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Message 110 of 112 (275394)
01-03-2006 3:50 PM
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01-01-2006 2:14 AM


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Before you commit yourself to a search for absolute truth, it might be wise to investigate whether there is such a thing.

Absolute truth may be beyond mankind, but I do feel that it exists. The "Right" choice exists. As humans we try in our everyday lives to choose what is the best thing to do, the best way to respond. We are all reaching to find what is absolutely true, what is absolutely right. I feel that the only way to know these things, is beyond us, and through God. Truth can be looked at as subjective, but that muddles the mind, making anything and everything relative to an individual. One starts to believe that it is impossible to know what truth is, rather it is all human speculation, and religion, philosophy, it all is attempts by different equally right people to grasp what is absolute truth. There in eternity exists truth.

I guess God holds it. Maybe this is what Nirvana is all about.


"The old man cries in the sorrow of eternity." Van Gogh

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