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Dr_Tazimus_maximus
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Message 5 of 23 (7953)
03-28-2002 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by horsegal243
03-28-2002 11:50 AM


Horsegal, I could list chapter and verse the reasons that you are wrong but I think that I will settle for one, as it forms the lynchpin for your statements. Predictions as to what must have happened for NS basis of ToE to occur abound in the literature. My favorite as of the moment is the find in Pakistan that cleared up the line of descent for whales so that there was a better correlation between the molecular record (phylogeny) and the fossil record. It was in Science last summer/fall. If you want I can get you the volume and page numbers of the citation (I would post them here now but they are at work).
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"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
Taz

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Dr_Tazimus_maximus
Member (Idle past 3235 days)
Posts: 402
From: Gaithersburg, MD, USA
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Message 10 of 23 (7975)
03-29-2002 7:57 AM
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03-29-2002 5:41 AM


Mark, thanks. Yes I actually had been following the molecular work concerning the whale and hippo relationship for a while as it is closer to my field than the fossil work. I was very pleased last summer when they found some of the fossils for the mid-whale lineage which helped to settle the issue between the fossil and the molecular people.
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Taz

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Dr_Tazimus_maximus
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Message 23 of 23 (8380)
04-09-2002 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by KingPenguin
04-09-2002 12:33 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by KingPenguin:
[B]my biggest problem with evolution is the fact that its not readily available and can only be made on evidence thats shaky at best. [/QUOTE]
Actually the evidence is quite available. There are a large number of books published over the last 20 years that have made the more difficult aspects of science readily available to the general public.
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Just because a radiometric dating test shows a billion years or what not does not meant that it is a billion years old its just that appears to be that old, chances are very likely that it is but you never know what could have happend to the samples or how flawed your method may really be.
That is thereason for the use of orthogonal methods and internal controls in the dating techniques. It weeds out the bulk of the uncertianty.
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I also really dont think that it would be plausable for apes to evolve into man, it just would take way to long and require so many variables that make it completely assumed.
I am sorry but you really need to read a bit more about the theory and then post again on this aspect. The real basis for the evolution of Homo sapiens has been posted as nauseum and I see no reason the repost it here.
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Also i usually see atheism as an escape from responsibility and a desperate attempt to be remembered by not following the group and letting things pass you by. Ive said before that without Jesus and the promise of afterlife i have to purpose to do anything for anyone for any reason. I wouldnt have anything to live for, anyone to look up to, but that is of course just me and everything i say is meaningless since ill probably never get a halfway acceptable college degree or a good paying job. I can tell already that im doomed to live a typical middle class life already, probably very single. I cant stand the way some humans act, how desperate they are for any kind of attention and how much they want to be loved but rarely ever get it or try to get it. To be an ignorant child with no responsibilities again would make me blissful but i know that i have responsibilities to my beloved Jesus, to my family, and to all those that are going to hell and dont realize how many consequences that are associated with their actions. People right now are generally extremely self centered and very opposed to any sort of change, theres a war going on right in the middle east now because of land, something so trivial but so very necessary to survival and somewhat honor.
First, it has been my observation that it is generally the deists, and specifically those from the Judeo/christian/moslem lineage who take the least responsibility for the actions. They "surrender" to gods will or say that they were swayed by satan. Never that THEY screwed up and did a bad thing. Second, not all people who understand that evolution occured are athiests, most are thiests or agnostics (the later is me
). Theism and science are two different things. As for the rest of the paragraph, I am sorry that on a personal level that you feel that your life is so empty and is not going anywhere. If religions makes you feel better fine, but that has nothing to do with a scientific discipline. I actually consider many christians that I have met to be far more childish because they do not want to take responsibility for their own actions.
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Even worse is the fact that discrimination is very widespread and im not talking about racial im talking about way of life and amount of wealth discrimination. The very fact that people have to live on the streets to live should tell you something about how bad our society is becoming. Of course i dont see working nine hour shifts in an office much different either than you can have a somewhat good living off of it.
And that has what to do with evolution. I do not like the idea that people who want to work end up without jobs, but not everyone who lives on the street wants a job. It is very un-PC to say this but it is the truth. While in Grad school and living ina very bad neighborhood myself and my roommates would sometimes offer to buy some of the local homeless sandwich at the local circle K. Some would accept and some would want the $ but not the sandwhich (which we would never do). I came to find out that some of the homeless were on the streets of their own volition. Some did not want to have to work for "the man", I wasted very little pity on these; others had gotten stuck in bad situations or had mental problems, these are the ones that we tried to help.
And what is wrong with working 9 hour shifts, that actually would be a short day for me
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your opinion on science doesnt matter to me if you cant have some faith in Jesus.
Fortunately your opinion has little to do with the real world. I hope that neither you nor yours will ever need the services of my company. However, in the event that you do you will be happy to know that I am quite good at science and it might just save your life or the life of someone that you care about.
Anyway, I hope that you feel more upbeat after some sleep.
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"Chance favors the prepared mind." L. Pasteur
Taz

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