What is supernatural?

Works for me. Notice that this makes the ID "designer" supernatural, and ID a religion by default.

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(1) If some people know that it exists then they must be able to describe how to determine that it exists in a manner easily reproducible by others. If this cannot be done, then it cannot be part of science, as that is one of the prerequisites. If this can be done then it is no longer supernatural (as you note in point 4). This kind of leaves supernatural as being necessarily beyond the realm of science, imho.(2) The complaint that science is not looking for your spiritual plane to me is less than completely true: there has been a lot of interest in finding evidence of extrasensory perceptions, including perceptions of "ghosts" and any other form that has come down through myth, superstition and the basic religions. The fact that interest has declined is due to the absolute absence of any confirmed reproducible positive evidence.Note that redefining words for your purposes reduces communication rather than enhance it. The standard definition is in the dictionary so that all people using the words can agree on their meaning and thus know the sense conveyed in any communication using those words. If this definition does not work for you then you need a new word for your purpose. Alternatural?Also the term "secular science" is redundant: science by definition does not include supernatural within it's scope -- it is necessarily secular. See paragraph (1) above if you have problems with this.Enjoy.

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See previous comment about this. Document how such knowledge can be reproduced independently by others. Conspiracy theory paranoia? What I saw of the Aqaba "evidence" looked badly contrived, was not properly documented (What is the location of the wheels? What dating method was used to verify their age?) and essentially relied on hearsay from unreliable witnesses, among other problems. See previous comments about extrasensory perception studies (levitation is included under telekinensis). Note that there are special effects people and professional magicians that have regularly taken such "demonstrations" apart and shown how they were faked. See http://members.aol.com/Paluxy2/whatbau.htm for some other opinions about the veracity of Carl's claims. The Paluxy "Man Track" hoax is particularly well known, and anyone who still stands (as Carl does) by such flagrant misrepresentation of the truth when the refuting evidence has been pointed out and is easily verifiable cannot be ignorant, but must be either stupid, deluded, insane or malicious (which includes suckering the gullible to make money). Why should anyone think that any of his "artifacts" are not just more hoaxes for the willingly deluded? If you trust Carl for anything I feel sorry for you.It would appear that your standard for accepting evidence for what you want to believe is lower than your standard for accepting evidence that refutes it.Enjoy.

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That's it? Sorry, but in my book an unabashed hoaxer is an unabashed hoaxer, and everything he touches is tainted by his continued insistance on presenting the paluxy hoax as valid to the point where AIG barely restrains from calling him a liar in their list of "Which arguments should definitely not be used?" :http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp This from AIG, which does not, IMHO, have a high standard for evidence -- so if he can't make that grade, it must be pretty bad.Now this is off topic (nothing in Carl Baugh's zoo of pet hoaxes has anything to do with the supernatural), but if you want to start a topic on Carl, I'm sure there will be people ready to continue this discussion.Nothing on how to document unknown 'extra' natural spiritual phenomena, sigh.

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