What is supernatural?

Hi CF. This is the first I've logged into your thread and just began reading so I'm coming in cold turkey. I tend to go on two or three theads and cover them adequately with the limited time I have to give here but will do what I can for your purpose here.1. According to the Bible there exists a dimension of created beings which are invisible to earth inhabitants, but which are capable under the direction of God or Satan, depending on whether the evil or the good can manifest themselves to humans in different ways.2. What is natural and what is supernatural, I guess, depends on whether you're and angel or other spirit being or human. If an angel were answering your question, he would consider himself and his kind, as well as you and I as natural. But to humans who can see them they are supernatural. So I guess the supernatural is that which cannot be manifested on earth by humans or the devices humans make to make things existing manifest. For example we would consider invisible air waves to be natural since they can be manifested via human devices, but not so with demonic powers. Demonic powers can, however be manifested via such mediums as witchcraft, spiritualist mediums who achieve levitation etc when they give themselves over to these powers which we fundamentalists consider to be demon spirits. There is the Holy Spirit of Jehovah who under certain conditions manifests himself to humans who are enough committed to God's gifts and powers. An example of this was some of the spiritual revivals of Charles Finney, powerful evangelist under who's preaching whole communities were smitten with sin conviction, some coming under this power even as they came near to the places where the preaching was done. Other manifestations have been healing and other miraculous gifts. Still others are such things like historically fufilled Biblical prophecies some of which have been brought forth her and through archeological discoveries such as the chariot parts at the Nuweiba crossing.3. My beef with secular science concerning this spiritual dimension which is known by some to exist in the universe is that they not only refuse to investigate and research such things as the Exodus crossing or anything which implicates what they consider to be supernatural, but they forbid the discussion or mentioning of it in classrooms of learning. Thus the ignorance.4. The term supernatural is in actuality a term which should be confined to the secularist ideology if indeed it does exist, for if it exists, it then becomes another dimension of the natural. If scientists were to begin to research and seek out the fact of it's existence to the extent and dilligence that they do for other existing things, imo, they would not have to go far before it's discovery would have to be acknowledged in their curriculum.Psalms 8:5 seems to classify mankind as "a little lower than the angels," in reference to prophecy of the then future messiah's birth as a man. In otherwords angels are of the supernatural higher dimension of beings which exist in the universe.

A secularist professional scientist?

The answer to your question is implicated in my post. Which of them is researching on site at the Nuweiba crossing, for example? I answered that already also. The answer is "yes" if they were to go at it big time like they do on lesser significant projects.

As I said, yah, some like myself know, but science is not interested enough to check what we think we know out. Again, they know we know about Aqaba, but no interest on their part. Have they checked out wicca events and spiritualist levitation, etc? How interested are they about Carl Baugh's human artifacts imbedded in coal and ohter stuff he has? Have they been there at his place to refute his claims?

Jar, you illustrate by example exactly what I've been trying to say. Thanks. Your attitude is typical of most secularists including the professionals toward researching the supernatural dimension which exists in the universe.

Then why do you always debate on the behalf of secularists? Says you, but your allegation here is not reality. If the Biblical account of it happened it most certainly was supernatural. You're not posting rationally, Jar. Are you taking your meds?

Well me friend, if you hadn'ta backed yourself into a corner by misconstruing my post you might not have gotten yourself in checkmate here. Better reread carefully my post which plainly states that from our perspective there can be the supernatural.

Jar, please take your meds, then go and read the WHOLE account of the Exodus and get back to me if you still think there's nothing supernatural in the Biblical account.

Thanks for being compassionate, but have you seen them? They are obviously imbedded in coal and so far as I'm aware, no scientists are challenging that it is not bonafide coal.

Jar please reread message 68 carefully. You said if the Exodus can be proven to have happened it wouldn't be supernatural. My response was that if the Biblical account of it happened it would be supernatural. You have my answer. Please stop bugging me about this.