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Author Topic:   Misconceptions of E=MC^2
New Cat's Eye
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Message 23 of 243 (452056)
01-29-2008 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by pelican
01-29-2008 1:07 PM


Re: what is the rush
Energy= mass multiplied by the speed of light mulitplied by the speed of light. Just imagine that for a moment.
It cannot be done but you have a preconcieved notion that it has been done and you are not alone in this
What do you mean it cannot be done?
Energy is proportional to the square of the speed of light just like the intensity of a signal is propotional to the square of the amplitude.
Just because you cannot concieve of the speed of light being squared or the amplitude of a signal being square doesn't mean that other properties cannot be proportional to them.
It has been experimentally verified so what's the beef!?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 26 of 243 (452074)
01-29-2008 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by pelican
01-29-2008 1:36 PM


Re: E=MC2 experiments
'Brazillion' was the offending word.
The word comes from a joke....
Rumsfeld and Bush are talking in the Oval Office and Rumsfeld looks to Bush and informs him: "Three Brazilian soldiers died in Iraq today...". Bush burries hid head in his hands almost in tears. He looks up and asks: "How many is a brazillion!?"
Now-a-days, in the internet world, the word brazillion has become to mean just "a lot".
In fact this shows that some believe there have been many experiments based on reproducing E=Mc2. The misconceptions are the whole point of this topic.
What's wrong with the experiment that Modulus linked too?
How much effort have you actually put into looking up the experiments that verify that E=mc2?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 31 of 243 (452085)
01-29-2008 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by pelican
01-29-2008 1:43 PM


Re: what is the rush
We're cross-posting...
Oh I think I do percieve the speed of light squared. I just cannot percieve any mass travelling at that speed, can you?
The speed of light would be an asymptote on a plot of a mass's velocity, as energy is related to it.
If/when mass reaches that speed, it becomes light.
Take your arms and point them outward at 90o angles to the direction you are facing. These represent the direction of momentum that you can have. At rest, you can go left, right, or straight ahead. As your velocity theoetically increases in the direction you are facing, we can represent this by slowly bringing your arms together in front of you to the direction you are facing. As you speed up, and as the angle of your arms gets less and less, your momentum in the left and right directions is less and less. At the point when both your arms are pointing in the direction you are facing, you have become light and your momentum can go nowhere but forward. You mass has tranformed into energy. The energy available from this trasformation is proportional to the amount of mass that was available (obviosly) and is also exponentially proportions to the veocity. This exponent is 2. Its proportional to the speed squared.
Does that help at all?
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 34 of 243 (452089)
01-29-2008 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by pelican
01-29-2008 1:49 PM


Re: E=MC2 experiments
Ahh, more cross-posting.
Thanks but I gathered that. It caused some confusion. that's all.
Oh well, then, did you at least think the joke was funny?
I am not disputing the authenticity of E=MC2. I am disputing some conceptions on this forum of what it actually is.
What conceptions are those? Do you think my conception is erroneous?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 36 of 243 (452095)
01-29-2008 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Chiroptera
01-29-2008 1:54 PM


Re: what is the rush
Usually a sign that at least one participant should log off and wait a while before posting again.
Never!!
Actually, not a bad idea. I'll go smoke a cigarette....

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 44 of 243 (452108)
01-29-2008 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Chiroptera
01-29-2008 2:01 PM


Re: E=MC2 experiments
Nothing with a non-zero rest mass can travel the speed of light. Period. It would take an infinite amount of energy to get a particle to this speed.
Hrm. I thought that, theoretically, if (the big IF) mass did travel at that speed, then it would be light. I.e. it would become light.
If I'm wrong then its prolly because of a misunderstanding of some analogy somewhere.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 47 of 243 (452116)
01-29-2008 2:41 PM


Thanks guys.

  
New Cat's Eye
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Message 107 of 243 (452560)
01-30-2008 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by pelican
01-30-2008 5:20 PM


Re: E=MC2 experiments
Can you give an example of energy to mass?
cavediver already did in Message 80 where he linked to this page.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 123 of 243 (452795)
01-31-2008 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by pelican
01-30-2008 8:05 PM


Re: E=MC2 experiments explained in simplest forms
Can you give an example of energy to mass?
cavediver already did in Message 80 where he linked to this page.
Yes I did check them out. I see my mistake.
I should have said, "can you give me a SIMPLE example that the layman such as myself can comprehend?"
But back in Message 69 you said:
quote:
As it stands e = mc2 i.e the theory of producing matter from energy using the square of the speed of light has never been proved, only the reverse.
The "proof" of that theory exists, it is just not going to be simple. This is one of those cases where you're going to have to trust the experts.
I need a simplified version which I believe you are perfectly capable of doing but don't try.
I'm sorry, but I am not perfectly capable of doing a simplified version.

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