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Message 12 of 73 (396666)
04-21-2007 4:23 PM

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04-21-2007 4:04 PM

obvious child writes:

Then there is no real point in talking to them. You cannot convince someone who is not at least open to suggestion.

The point isn't to convince them - it's to stop them from convincing others. If we allow them to prattle on about even the stupidest ideas, some poor person who knows even less might be fooled.

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Message 17 of 73 (396715)
04-21-2007 8:22 PM

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04-21-2007 6:16 PM

obvious child writes:

For us to do what you intend would require us to follow them around. I don't see that as a feasible proposal given that many creationists go on many different boards.

Eradicating creationism isn't feasible - fighting it is.

Essentially, it's a fight where only the audience counts. If an evo destroys a creo argument with Ph.D. level science, the audience has to be able to understand it or nothing is accomplished. It doesn't matter if the creo understands it.

Only the audience wins or loses.

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Message 26 of 73 (396794)
04-22-2007 3:26 AM

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04-21-2007 9:42 PM

obvious child writes:

Therefore we need to follow these creationists around. I don't see this as a feasible plan.

Who said it was a "plan" for world domination? The question is: How do we approach the debate here?

I'm just saying that we need to talk to people on a lay-understandable level. The Ph.Ds. are already on "our side".

The way to approach education is to start with what they do understand and work your way up until they can't understand any more. There's no point in going higher than that.

And there's no point in starting at the eyes-glaze-over point either.

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Message 34 of 73 (396877)
04-23-2007 1:57 AM

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04-23-2007 12:38 AM

obvious Child writes:

How do you start with someone who claims evolution is false yet does not understand erosion?

I guess I should have said, "Start with what they think they know."

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Message 43 of 73 (397076)
04-24-2007 9:41 AM

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04-24-2007 4:47 AM

obvious Child writes:

Can you change the mind of a brick wall?

As I suggested before, we're not here to talk to brick walls. We're here to clean the graffitti off brick walls, so innocent bystanders don't take it as truth.

But when they lack any capacity to examine their own beliefs, much less processes, I don't see value in discussing things with them.

It's because they lack the capacity to examine their own beliefs that we have to examine their beliefs for them.

We try to prevent the disease from spreading, even if we can't cure those who are already infected.

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Message 47 of 73 (397163)
04-24-2007 7:37 PM

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04-24-2007 6:57 PM

obvious Child writes:

... this is just one board.

What's your point? Who's claiming that EvC is the cure for all the world's ills?

But you know that they will simply wash, rinse and repeat the same lies over and over and over again.

The nature of cleaning is that it's an on-going process. If it's going to get dirty again, is that an excuse to never clean it?

So what do you do with the infected?

Minimize the damage they can do.

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