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Rob 
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Message 139 of 744 (328253)
07-02-2006 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by ramoss
06-30-2006 8:56 AM


Re: So is with Evolution
It is
a FACT that species change.
Yes, it is called natural selection, but limited within kind. Some people have blue eyes, and some have brown, but no one has compound eyes.
It is a fact that species go extinct
Yes. Where are the new one's to replace them?
it is a fact that new species appear.
Oh really?
The THEORY of evolution is a model to explain the mechanism of how this happens.
It is a model of what really happens (natural selection) that then tries to extend that principal to what has never been observed (the arrival of a new species).
Just like Gravity. The fact is that if you have a brick, and drop it, it falls to the earth as a certain rate of speed. The 'law' of gravity
describes what exactly happens (32 ft per second per second).
The THEORY of gravity is a model to try to explain why this happens.
With gravity, we can observe the fact and then theorize the mechanism. With natural selection we can observe the mechanism, and then theorize what it is doing. We cannot however, observe the fact of evolution.
Change within species is not a new species, but only a variation within kind.
Evolution presumes more order arising form less order...
It appears to me that the order within the biosphere is degrading. There are less species than in the past and the enviroment is less hospitable to delicate species all the time. Whole ecosystems are in collapse. Systems are ordered...
Within naturalism, there is no moral imperitive to make a claim that this is bad. It is only survival of the fittest. Some species are dying as a result of the actions of man. It seems to me that if evolution and naturalism are true, then this is only a random process that may very well lead to our own death. As such, some new form will take our place.
We should not try to resist our nature. We must allow ourselves to destroy ourselves. According to naturalism, to do otherwise would be unatural. But then again, we must survive even at the expense of other life. But if order in increasing, then why is it decreasing?
Is this confusion natural? Can you induce a response?

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Rob 
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Message 142 of 744 (328299)
07-02-2006 3:30 PM
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07-02-2006 1:38 PM


Re: So is with Evolution
I am sure you have been given plenty of examples. If not, I can give you those examples. Should I? Or would you reject it out of hand because it does not fit into your preconceptions?
Oh please do... but not in this thread. I have received very kind, yet personal e-mail warnings about taking these topics off point. I must change my ways... Perhaps you could shoot me an e-mail. This is nwr's topic, and we are not on it...

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Message 144 of 744 (328301)
07-02-2006 3:39 PM
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07-02-2006 3:36 PM


Re: So is with Evolution
Define 'kind'. Give straight forward definition that can actually be used.
-Humans-
Perhpas you can tell me who is more evolved, an African human, or a caucasion?

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Message 146 of 744 (328303)
07-02-2006 4:02 PM
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07-02-2006 3:55 PM


Re: So is with Evolution
evolution does not say anything about anything being "more evolved".
So, an atom, is a rock, is an e-coli, is a bannana, is a human?

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Rob 
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Message 148 of 744 (328307)
07-02-2006 4:09 PM
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07-02-2006 4:03 PM


Re: So is with Evolution
quote:
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Perhpas you can tell me who is more evolved, an African human, or a caucasion?
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What's your answer to that question?
Neither! But not because the question is flawed... but because evolution is not true.
All of the genetics we see in different races, used to be one. When we combine them we get some of the most beatiful people, both physically, culturally etc..
The problem is not that one is superior to the other, the problem is that all men are fallen in sin.

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Rob 
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Message 151 of 744 (328311)
07-02-2006 4:25 PM
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07-02-2006 4:13 PM


Re: So is with Evolution
All of the genetics we see in different races, used to be one. When we re-combine them we get some of the most beatiful people, both physically, culturally, emotionally, psychologically etc...
It's an important point CK...
Man has devolved into his own ways and cultures from what was originally perfect and pure.
If evolution is true, then the concept of the superior race is a ruthless and monsterous reality.
In that case, Native Africans are closer to monkeys than you and I.
I for one do not believe that. I believe we are all precious in Gods sight, and that He seeks to restore us to His (perfect) glory. Part of that restoration will be physical with the resurection.
I know it is tough for some of you...
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added "off-topic" banner (after ReverendDG had replied)

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