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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
nwr writes: I have no reason to suspect that it will change. But I have no way of knowing that it won't change. quote:source So, you use inductive logic in every day life.As does science. So - this thread is done?
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
nwr writes:
Fine. I would call that "statistical reasoning" rather than "inductive logic."But please remember that everyone else is using the established name for inductive logic - which is: 'inductive logic'. And 'statistical reasoning' already has a definition which does not describe your behaviour. Things can get very confused when someone decides to arbitrarily re-define words in the English language.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
nwr writes:
Actually I was referring to how you describe your own behaviour. You are not talking about my behavior. You are talking only about what you assert to be my behavior. But anyway - go ahead and change the meanings of words as you wish.Just don't forget that only you will understand.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Jon writes:
My maths teacher did this 'divide by zero' trick so that he could mathematically prove that 1 = 2. P4: The observed inductive-form argument is just a deductive-form argument with unstated premises (observance)But he did it knowing it was flawed.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Modulous writes:
Aren't calculations the main difference between inductive logic and statistical reasoning? I'm just arguing that the more modern view that has emerged in which the statistical and the inductive have been merged. Inductive logic doesn't have calculations: it just says "It happened all last year: it will probably happen next year too". Whereas statistical reasoning calculates the 'odds' of something happening: "There is a 90% chance that it will happen next year". Edited by Panda, : posyt
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Modulous writes:
I think I screwed up my previous post - my head cold is fugging my finking. No - I don't think so: Stastical reasoning can be used to make inductive inferrences and can be used to justify the confidence levels of our inductions.I'll try again... *cough* Aren't calculated 'odds' the main difference between Inductive Logic and Statistical Reasoning?Inductive Logic doesn't require calculated values in it's conclusion: it can just say "It happened all last year: it will probably happen next year too". Whereas Statistical Reasoning does require the chance of something happening to be calculated and stated: "There is a 90.1% chance that it will happen next year". I would therefore describe Statistical Reasoning as a 'subset' of Inductive Logic. Edited by Panda, : tpyos
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
nwr writes:
I thought I should point out that this is a self-referencing statement. How many specific evidences to you need to support the general statement "There are 100 centimetres in a metre"?"There are one hundred 100ths of a metre in a metre" It is no different to saying that "Red frogs are red" or "wooden furniture is made of wood". Maybe you should change your example?
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
nwr writes:
So...the unchanging pattern of summers being hotter and winters being colder (in the northern hemisphere) has no constancy?
Straggler writes:
Actually, they are not. It gets hotter in the summer and colder in the winter, which is not constant. ALL of our scientific theories are based on the constancy of natural phenomeon.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
nwr writes:
Please answer the question I asked and not the question you made up in your head.
Varying between hot and cold is still change, and change is not the same as constant. Panda writes: So...the unchanging pattern of summers being hotter and winters being colder (in the northern hemisphere) has no constancy? Edited by Panda, : typo
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
nwr writes:
No. The question asks whether a variable has some constancy.A specific pattern is defined and fixed. "a combination of qualities, acts, tendencies, etc., forming a consistent or characteristic arrangement."This is the normal meaning of pattern when discussing seasons and weather. Summers are consistantly warmer than winters (in the northern hemisphere). Now, answer the question or retract your initial comment.
Panda writes:
So...the unchanging pattern of summers being hotter and winters being colder (in the northern hemisphere) has no constancy?
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Jon writes:
What makes you think that 'predictions' are the same as 'logical consequences'?
Straggler writes: But I am intrigued to know how your non-inductive science argument distinguishes between genuine scientific conclusions and things like omphalism if you are going to abandon prediction (leading to discovery) as the key difference? What is it about 'predictions' ('logical consequences') that make them impossible given non-inductive reasoning? Jon writes:
Why do you think that a 'scientific conclusion' is not related to 'knowledge'?
Straggler writes: Is it possible to make any scientific conclusion pertaining to any future event without that "assumption"? What is a 'scientific conclusion'? How does it relate to 'knowledge'? Jon writes:
Yes.
Straggler writes: Do we not "know" when eclipses are going to occur? No. Jon, do you really think that there is any point to what you posted?You answered 2 questions with 2 more questions and then just asserted "No".
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Jon writes:
Ok. Then here's my question: I never claimed it was or it wasn't. I merely asked a question.Do you think that a 'scientific conclusion' is not related to 'knowledge'? Please explain how you came to your answer. Jon writes:
Hmm...I am having trouble following your equivocation. No.
Panda writes:
Good. Now, how do you know?
Yes. Did you actually mean:Now, how do you "know"? or perhaps Now, how do you know? When you are constantly bouncing between the different meanings of words, it becomes very difficult to follow which definition you are currently using.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Jon writes:
Thank you for the quote. Don't be petty. If you mean something special by "know" as opposed to know, then lay it out so you can be understood. No one, though, is interested in word games.I will use it to remind you to stop being petty and that no-one is interested in word games.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Jon writes: You are obviously working with looser criteria for 'knowledge' than am I or nwr. This is fine, so long as you lay out your criteria and demonstrate their relevance to the scientific method. Jon writes: Don't be petty. If you mean something special by "know" as opposed to know, then lay it out so you can be understood. No one, though, is interested in word games. Well, it didn't take long for the hypocrisy to shine through... Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3734 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Jon writes:
Deductively.Jon writes:
Do you actually plan to participate here, or are you just interested in attempting pot shots from the sidelines?
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