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Author Topic:   The "science" of Miracles
almeyda
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Message 8 of 696 (119798)
06-29-2004 1:45 AM


What do you mean by miracles exactly?. Are you talking about extradinary intervention by God in our world?. Contradictory to the normal laws of nature?. Being a christian we must believe in miracles because the Bible tells us they happened. Miracles can happen because God made them happen and God is beyond our 'natural laws', Also there is nothing better than to authenticate your religion by performing miracles. But when talking about miracles & science we must ask what is science, and what is not science. Philosophers cant agree on what science is, which is strange because they continue to tell us that creation science is not science, and also contradict themselves when saying creation science is not science because its not testable. They then say the various claims of scientific evidence for creation have been examined & proven false, but examined means tested doesnt it?. So which is it?. Some people say if you believe in miracles you wont be able to do science properly. But many founders of modern science were christians who believed in miracles. But what they believed was that the miracles were finished, for example Gods creation. They believed that God did not intervene with random miracles so that means there natural science could work and the natural world could be investigated. So natural law may be just our own description of how God normally upholds things. This does not necessarily mean miracles cannot happen, ever.
Secular philosopher argue there is no absolute truth, but is what he just said an absolutely true statement?. Others say 'how can you be sure, nothings for sure'. Well then how do you know what you just said is for sure??. So besides a bias against the supernatural, God, the Bible, miracles etc. One cant know for sure miracles cannot be a part of this world. Unless a materialistic,naturalist bias. Another thing i can mention about sceptics and 'natural law' is this. If the athiesm is true and the world is not created why should there be natural law? Why should there be regularity?. I mean wasnt it God that taught man that the earth is orderly,consistent,and possible to investigate?. What if there was more than one God, and there were competing natural laws?. Its possible since nothing is for sure right?. What if 'new age' thoughts is right and the universe is a massive thought? well it could change its mind at anytime right???. And going back to origins like big bangs and pond scum, well these are mere accidents therefore our thought processes are also mere accidents. Why should one acident be able to give account of all the other accidents?. Weres all this proud humanistic and athiestic thoughts coming from? Why should an athiests views be greater than a christian if he cant even justify his own reasoning process. Going back to natural law however, the only reason its natural is because its an isolated system, left as it is without any outside input. But can this system really be isolated if God exists?. If God exist he can do what he likes with his creation.
Sceptics argue Jesus cannot walk on water for something denser than water would sink to the bottom, but only if something else is not acting on it. So Jesus being God could certainly apply a force that could counteract the gravitational force. So miracles should not be thought of as exceptions to natural law but as additions to them. So Jesus being outside the system can add something to the system. So how can scientist perform science if miracles happen? Well the answer is simple, We have an orderly God, not a God of confusion. So real science is very much possible while believing in miracles. So to convince a sceptic about miracles being possible there isnt much reasons to give except the Bible which tells us miracles happen and the fact that theres no logical reason to disprove a miracle besides a bias to materialism, and circular reasoning.
So we can see that Gods power and intervention may not be limited to the capacity of mans mind. Miracles are additions to natural law, but in the same place christian theology seems to be the one that justifies natural and orderly law in the first place. Confusing topic much?. It is for me.

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