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Author Topic:   Does Science Truly Represent Reality?
DominionSeraph
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Message 49 of 61 (420643)
09-08-2007 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by GDR
08-06-2007 5:26 PM


GDR writes:
Science though requires faith that our perception of things is the only way that those same things can be perceived and thus represent the only reality that there is.
No it doesn't. You've missed the relevance of relevance.
Things that are outside the realm of human science because they can neither be directly nor indirectly detected are meaningless to me, as they can't affect me. Regardless of their actual status, they effectively don't exist. They're irrelevant. And the fact that your response to the concept of an existent but non-affecting object will be inappropriate as your experiential sample of existent objects necessarily doesn't include any non-affecting objects (if it doesn't affect you, you can't experience it), disbelief is warranted regardless of existential status.
Remember, having the truth is not in itself a good thing. And human science being unable to determine the existence of things whose existence is irrelevant to humans, isn't exactly relevant to humans. It matters not if a tool fails to accomplish a meaningless task.
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DominionSeraph
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Message 53 of 61 (420774)
09-09-2007 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by GDR
09-09-2007 10:33 AM


GDR writes:
How do you determine what is outside the realm of human science.
Through examination of how they've been defined.
If you define something as being outside the range of human perception, you've limited its sphere of influence to a range that doesn't include humans, which puts it outside of human science and relevancy.
GDR writes:
Let's consider gravity.
We can observe the effects of gravity. As such, it is within the range of perceptability.
GDR writes:
I'm just suggesting that there is may well be other ways of perceiving the universe that at this point we know nothing about.
Unless they affect us, they're irrelevant.
GDR writes:
Isn't science, (and for that matter phiosophy and theology), all about trying to find out as much truth as we can.
Hmmmm... nobody seems to be trying very hard to find out what the weight of my colon was 39 weeks ago to the minute. I wonder why that is.
I suggest you examine why some truths matter more than others.
GDR writes:
How are we to determine what truth is irrelevant?
By examining our valuation system.
If something doesn't meet our criteria to be valued, it is valueless.

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DominionSeraph
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Message 59 of 61 (425127)
09-30-2007 2:56 PM
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09-09-2007 9:02 PM


GDR writes:
Maybe, if it does exist, and we had a different type of sense, we would be able to perceive it.
Doesn't change the fact that only things which affect you are relevant.

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DominionSeraph
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Message 60 of 61 (425129)
09-30-2007 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by GDR
09-10-2007 11:59 AM


Re: Reality seems to be flexible
GDR writes:
Are we really sure that what we can demonstrate empirically actually represents reality?
Reality is irrelevant.

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