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arachnophilia
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Message 151 of 332 (200841)
04-21-2005 12:59 AM
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04-21-2005 12:43 AM


Re: There's the unfalsifiable theory again
Biology is science, evolutionism isn't.
what about "evolutionary biology?"
Biology should be doing what it is doing, but they should do it without the evolutionism.
actually, that's more or less impossible. see, without evolution, there's no taxonomy. and taxonomy is a BIG part of biology.
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Message 152 of 332 (200842)
04-21-2005 1:04 AM
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04-21-2005 12:59 AM


Re: There's the unfalsifiable theory again
quote:
actually, that's more or less impossible. see, without evolution, there's no taxonomy. and taxonomy is a BIG part of biology.
Totally false. The taxonomic chart was invented long before evolutionism. It was simply a classification system, implying nothing about descent of one from another.
Taxonomy - Wikipedia
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arachnophilia
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Message 153 of 332 (200843)
04-21-2005 1:07 AM
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04-21-2005 1:04 AM


taxonomy
from the link.
quote:
Mathematically, a taxonomy is a tree structure of classifications for a given set of objects
tell me, what does a tree structure imply when dealing with animals?

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Message 154 of 332 (200845)
04-21-2005 1:12 AM
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04-21-2005 1:07 AM


Re: taxonomy
quote:
Mathematically, a taxonomy is a tree structure of classifications for a given set of objects
tell me, what does a tree structure imply when dealing with animals?
Nothing more than a tree structure that organizes the files on a computer implies. It's a way of organizing phenomena. Now it implies evolution from one to the other, but that's no more necessary than the idea that one computer file begets another.

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arachnophilia
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Message 155 of 332 (200846)
04-21-2005 1:14 AM
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04-21-2005 1:12 AM


Re: taxonomy
Nothing more than a tree structure that organizes the files on a computer implies. It's a way of organizing phenomena. Now it implies evolution from one to the other, but that's no more necessary than the idea that one computer file begets another.
try again. the correct answer is "common ancestry."

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Message 156 of 332 (200847)
04-21-2005 1:15 AM
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04-21-2005 1:14 AM


Re: taxonomy
quote:
try again. the correct answer is "common ancestry."
Right. That's the Politically Correct Answer. And woe be to anyone who knows it's false.

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arachnophilia
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Message 157 of 332 (200848)
04-21-2005 1:20 AM
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04-21-2005 1:15 AM


Re: taxonomy
Right. That's the Politically Correct Answer. And woe be to anyone who knows it's false.
if it weren't right, every end on the tree would have the same number of branches. and they don't.

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Message 158 of 332 (200849)
04-21-2005 1:28 AM
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04-21-2005 1:20 AM


Re: taxonomy
quote:
if it weren't right, every end on the tree would have the same number of branches. and they don't.
Now, THAT makes NO sense at ALL.

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arachnophilia
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Message 159 of 332 (200851)
04-21-2005 1:39 AM
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04-21-2005 1:28 AM


Re: taxonomy
Now, THAT makes NO sense at ALL.
it's a method of sorting, yes. and it sorts by common features. but if there was no common descent, and no evolution, it'd look more like this:
than this:
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Message 160 of 332 (200852)
04-21-2005 1:47 AM
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04-21-2005 1:39 AM


Re: taxonomy
Huh?

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Message 161 of 332 (200854)
04-21-2005 2:09 AM
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04-21-2005 1:39 AM


Re: taxonomy
Good luck. As resistent to learning geology as Faith is, trying to teach her taxonomy has got to be worse.
"Don't try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig" Lazarus Long
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Message 162 of 332 (200855)
04-21-2005 2:12 AM
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04-21-2005 2:09 AM


Re: taxonomy
As resistent to learning geology as Faith is, trying to teach her taxonomy has got to be worse.
Or, for that matter, the mathematics behind tree data structures.

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arachnophilia
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Message 163 of 332 (200856)
04-21-2005 2:14 AM
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04-21-2005 1:47 AM


Re: taxonomy
Huh?
exactly.

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arachnophilia
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Message 164 of 332 (200857)
04-21-2005 2:16 AM
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04-21-2005 2:09 AM


Re: taxonomy
Good luck. As resistent to learning geology as Faith is, trying to teach her taxonomy has got to be worse.
hell, i don't even fully understand it.
added by edit: someone else wanna take a crack at it? i'm at a loss for explaining it.
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Message 165 of 332 (200860)
04-21-2005 2:26 AM
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04-21-2005 2:16 AM


Re: taxonomy: It's WAY off topic
How's about we close up this one for this thread, and maybe you can all get together and show me what an idiot I am about taxonomic mathematics on another thread sometime. Not too soon I hope. I have quite a backlog of threads I have yet to get back to if they're still there.

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