Negentropy?????

I'm new here, so I hope this is the right place to post this. A couple of years ago, when I was at work, I got talking to this dude who was about to go give a lecture about Negentropy at Cambridge University. I wasn't really too interested in what he was blathering on about at the time. However, I since have become interested in the Evolution vs. Creation debate, and when the Second Law of Thermodynamics came up, I noticed the word entropy and thought 'Hey what was that 'Negentropy' thing?' and looked it up. It seems way over may head however. For example I found this
No webpage found at provided URL: http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/ASC/NEGENTROPY.html
Can anyone shed some light here? Would it affect the debate at all?? I noticed some cults seem to be springing up around it, but hey what don't they spring up around (Jesus *cough**cough*)?!

I tried Google, but I couldn't really find any laymen explanations. I'll give talkorigins a try though. Go ahead and bounce a few ideas around though that would be great!! And dont worry, I take everything everyone says with a grain of salt!

I think I'm getting the jist of it. Does it basically mean that things can move from disorder to order without breaking the Second Law? If so, how the hell do Creationists argue their way around it in regards to their 'Thermodynamics disproves Evolution' nonsense argument?

Okay I'm pretty sure I understand it now. Cheers Loudmouth. But what do creationists make of this? Surely if despite entropy occurring there is still work available then this could account for evolution?? Even though I know that Evolution doesn't require extra work and doesn't necessarily tend towards complexity, it nicely questions there claims, doesn't it?? Whaddya reckon (you too nosyned).

NosyNed I think that link jst refers to the claim that the Second Law was a result of the Fall. I found this on the same site: Can Water Flow Uphill? | Answers in Genesis they use the analogy that water can't flow uphill. On the site No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/thermo.htmis this analogy
'An analogy may be useful here: all streams and rivers run downhill, but near rocks and other obstructions small portions of the stream can use kinetic energy to temporarily and locally reverse this flow and actually swirl uphill for a time. The water molecules use free energy from the outside to do work and thus temporarily circumvent the flow of gravity. The fact that parts of a vortex flow uphill does not invalidate the affects of gravity on water, any more than the fact that life locally decreases its entropy invalidates the Second Law. Both processes are temporary and completely dependent on an outside source of energy.'
Is the kinetic energy in the stream making the water flow uphill analogous to negentropy in a closed system? If so therefore are creationists trying to deny that negentropy occurs?

In conclusion then, the occurence of negentropy or the decrease of entropy, whichever you label it, shows the creationist claim 'The Second law of Thermodynamics shows Evolution to be impossible' to be false. Am I right?

The sneaky b'stards!! I agree with you, that is dishonest. And kind of conspiratorial in a way. I think I'll head over to talkorigins to learn a bit more about abiogenesis. There'll be no wool-pulling near my eyes.

Yeah, I noticed none of 'em have showed up here to 'explain' any of it.