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Author Topic:   Negentropy?????
Finniss
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Message 23 of 27 (91746)
03-11-2004 10:34 AM


Why is this even a discussion. Entropy is not a measure of order or disorder. This is a way to simplify the meaning to high school students. It is an explanation of energy being released and all of the components at most returning to their origional positions, thus creating no entropy. This would be under "ideal" situations, but in every day reactions/processes entropy is always created.
Entropy is NOT a measure of order except when relating directly to thermodynamics. A building does not have any more or less entropy than a stack of the same materials jumbled together. If you want to measure the entropy of building a building you can. You take all of the energy used to make the building and look at the final energy states of all of the components used to create it. You will have a net gain of entropy.
Whenever someone says something along the lines of entropy being created because something is more organized, just tell them to look up the thermodynamic definition of entropy and to correct themselves.

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Finniss
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Message 25 of 27 (92134)
03-12-2004 9:41 PM


"I am afraid that I must tell you that it IS relevant but instead of getting into different interpretations of physics"
Different interpretations? What the heck? I did not know there was more than one interpretation!!
"I say no FORMAL equivalent, because, in accordance with the general spirit of these inquiries, it is not even sought to determine whether the mental operation which is represented by remvoing the logical symbol,z,from a combination zx, is in itself analogous with the operation of division in Arithemetic."
I guess this is technically correct BUT the problem is that he already said the property is equal to z. That is what is not analogous in arithemetic. He made the mistake of making that compairison. If his statement about z is true then it actually is analogous with the operation of division in arithemetic. His argument is flawed by the little quote you already gave me.
"I did not say x=y because I would lke to know if postive pressure =negative vs positive curvature BECAUSE of negative pressure SOMEWHERE ELSE that clock could time to physically if existant."
Is this even an English sentance? Please explain what "positive curvature" is. Also how does positive pressure equal to something negative with no other value or units? Also "that clock could time to if existant"? Huh?
"I do not say if the INTERVAL of negentropy contributes MORE to order or disorder only that in the Gendaken expt on mitchondrial toxin/antitoxin origins claims of apoptosis immune differences of a few degrees of Carbon atom angles may even that elemetally need reinscription in statstistical partitions not presently carried out most likely for fear of NON-EQUILIBRIUM thermodynamics dominating in the difference of the process or body understudy."
How exactly does this violate thermodynamics? I would absolutly like to see how what you claim does not work out mathematically using the current model of thermodynamics. If it does work then nothing is being violated. If it doesn't and uses sound logic then you're looking at some great awards and huge grants to continue your work. Lol
Please, showing that you have a grain of understanding of the concepts of thermodynamics, show me anything, a link, a formula, an experiment that can be reproduced, anything, that violates the current models.

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