Intelligent Design has no Place in the Classroom of Science

Posting the same message twice really doesn't add weight. this is off topic but I do need to point out that the TOE is certainly not Atheistic, in fact every major Christian Church supports the TOE and opposes Biblical Creationism. In addition, it is not a philosophy. So two errors in your first sentence.The rest of your message is just unsupported assertions unrelated to the topic.This message has been edited by jar, 05-11-2006 05:01 PM

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

There are plenty of phenomena for which we know a purley naturalistic cause. There are no phenomena for which a divine cause is known. Therefore, if we do not know the cause of a phenomena, then it is reasonable to assume that the cause, if and when it is known, will be naturalistic.Is that better?

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"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

I also suspect that evolution is not the athiest philosophy. Sure there are some that are athier?

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"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

(TOE is certainly not Atheistic/it is not a philosophy)
It seems that there are two errors in YOUR message. TOE is totally not compatable with creation and it was developed for one purpose: to deny God, and you say it is not athiestic! what error is bigger than that you have said.In addition, it is a philosophy and it is not based on evidence just like any other scientific theory it was firstly developed in Darwin's imagination when he assumed that species evolve. Just tell me, Have you(or any one else) ever observed a species evolve into DIFFERENT type of species? only if you can answer that than reply to me and dont make up imaginary evolutionary scenario as all evolutionist do.

You are way off topic for this thread, but there is not one single true statement in your post.Please take your stuff to the appropriate thread. I'll be happy to blow them away in the appropriate place, but this thread is about "Intelligent Design has no Place in the Classroom of Science".AbE: if you'd like some pointers on how the board works, drop into chat and I'll gladly try to help.This message has been edited by jar, 05-11-2006 05:21 PM

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

So you say natural phenamonas? Tell me then, you see how planet Earth is perfectly conditioned for life, how do you explain that?1)Look at the percise distance from the sun and the moon that if they change a little that would destroy life on Earth.
2)specific speed of rotation and orbiting that if are slower of faster that can disturb the environment and cause life to end
3)Percision in the water cycle since the quantity of water that falls by rain is the same each year and if it change a little this will cause either flood or drought in many parts of the world
4)The magnetic belt around earth that is unique for our planet and protects it from harmful solar radiation otherwise we will die
5)The proper thikness of the atmosphere and its layers and how each layer has a tack specially designed to benifit life on earth
6) the great abundance of water with percise proportion with land that is not found in any other planet in the solar system.
7)The very percise degree of tilt in the axis of rotation of earth that is crucial for the seasons and if there is a one degree change the seasons' cycle will be disturbed and that will lead to the end of life on earth.I could go forever but i think that is enough. so do you choose to be so unscientific to calim that these are not intellegent designs created by God to suit life on earth and that all these conditions and much more all formed by "chance" because Earth knew somehow that life will form on it in the future?

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I could go forever but i think that is enough.

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It is enough. Not one of the statements that you made is true.

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"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

Again a very funny statement. I can clearly see now why evolutionists and athiests are having a hard time believing in God: because of their IGNORANCE. what do you mean that non is true, go study something about our planet and when you are "scientific enough" you can post answers to argue against scientific facts, and if they are not true, tell me then What is true? even a grade 1 kid cannot deny these very basic facts that athiests ignore just to deny any sign of God. So im not going to busy my head with you if you keep denying the many signs of God with ignorance. By the way, I only want to see a scientific reply and not a reply that is based on ignorance and dogmatic athiestic believes.

Can you relate these points to the topic of the thread?"Intelligent Design has no Place in the Classroom of Science"Take them to an appropriate thread or propose a new one.Also take any discussion of this particular post to the appropriate thread listed in my signature box.

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These distances are constantly changing and life still exists. Wrong on number 1. Once again the rotation of the earth has changed and continues to change. In the past years were 400+ days. Wrong on number 2. Which happens all the time. Wrong on number 3. Which changes unpredictably even flipping its orientation causing brief periods of 0 protection. Yea, great system. Wrong on number 4. Once again, it changes all the time causing problems for lots of life. Wrong on number 5. What does this have anything to do with fine tuning. That being said, the level of water in the oceans changes over time. Wrong on number 6. The tilt of the earth changes MANY DEGREES over time and life is not extinguished. This is probably the most incorrect one of them all. Both magnetic and polar north move within a non-insignificant range. Really wrong on number 7.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

Per our moderators request. Please take addition replies to an appropriate thread. Might I suggest you start a new thread on fine tuning where these can be further discussed.

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

So you dont like these systems, well try living on Earth without them and see if you can live. Im not talking about minor changes here but i mean how all these systems that are very crucial for life came to be in the first place, and no one can deny that there are numerous and very complex systems crucial for life so how can you claim they all came by "chance"? Minor changes are no problem but again i mean how all these systems came to be so well conditioned for life int the first place. By the way recheck your information because you are claiming some incorrect facts.

The moderators have ruled this off-topic, but I will respond to this:

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what do you mean that non is true, go study something about our planet and when you are "scientific enough" you can post answers to argue against scientific facts, and if they are not true, tell me then What is true?

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I have a Master of Science in physics. During my studies I was specializing in a field called "Planetary Science", and so I am "scientific enough" in this area to say that each of your statements is wrong.-

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even a grade 1 kid cannot deny these very basic facts

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Would this grade 1 kid have been home schooled by a fundamentalist?

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"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
-- Ellis Weiner (quoted on the NAiG message board)

Please take this to another thread. It is off topic here.

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AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe

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I have sources to back up most if not all of the refutations I posted. Since it is OT for this thread I am happy to discuss them with you if you would like to start a new thread. Might I suggest you start a thread about fine tuning. I don't think they all came by chance. I believe that the Lord God is the creator of the Universe and everything in it. I was simply rebutting your list of incorrect facts. You can have your own opinions but you cannot have your own facts. Lets move this discussion to an appropriate thread.This message has been edited by Jazzns, 05-11-2006 05:04 PM

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)