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Author Topic:   DarkStar's Manifesto: Is It Science?
crashfrog
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Message 5 of 14 (119828)
06-29-2004 3:25 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Loudmouth
06-28-2004 1:58 PM


So what we have are tools that are meant to answer separate questions. Science is the tool used to explain the physical, natural world. Philosophy/religion is a tool used to explain the metaphysical, moral, and spiritual questions that man asks.
Well, not that I think it was your intent, but I think that it's a mistake to pretend these questions are of equivalent importance.
I mean, I could say (you'll pardon me for paraphrasing you):
quote:
So what we have are tools that are meant to answer separate questions. Science is the tool used to explain the physical, natural world. The Dungeons and Dragons sourcebooks are tools used to explain the game-rule, character-building, and campaign setting questions that man asks.
Ok, science and the gamebooks are two different tools, yes. But like the gamebooks, religion is a tool for answering questions about made-up stuff. Getting back to DS's manifesto, what on Earth would be the utility of trying to synthesize science and made-up stuff? (Maybe some great books and crappy movies, I guess.)

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crashfrog
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Message 7 of 14 (119840)
06-29-2004 4:24 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Mammuthus
06-29-2004 4:16 AM


Darkstar claims we need to include mythology in science to get at the truth but studiously avoids mentioning a single case where this has benefited scientific discovery or how it would even in theory benefit science at all.
I'm not sure his point is that we have to. I rather think he's referring to some kind of truth beyond science.
How you could know such a truth is simply beyond me. There's absolutely no difference between theological or spiritual inquiry into the universe and making shit up. They're exactly the same thing. What sort of "truth" we would get from adding what we make up to what we've found out about the universe is something I simply don't understand, and something DS has given no examples of.
But yeah. I agree with you. When you take science and add made-up shit, you don't get more truth, you get less.

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crashfrog
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Message 12 of 14 (120171)
06-29-2004 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Reina
06-29-2004 8:48 PM


Off-topic
To me, this is awesome (the amazing amounts of perfectly-detailed information contained in so tiny a space).
I don't believe that there's anything that could be considered "perfect" about the genome. As a whole it's an example of being just good enough.
A quartz crystal represents "perfect" ordering of minerals. Is that evidence that God designs quartz crystals?
Then, something quite new for me, and perhaps for some here:
You'll find that paleochroic halos are new to nobody here, nor are they new to geologists. As a refutation of evolutionary timelines they've been substantially debunked. You can read the refuttal here:
"Polonium Haloes" Refuted
The main problem with the halos is that there's no evidence that they're actually the result of polonium decay and not substantially longer-lived isotopes like radon or uranium.
Anyway this is all off-topic in this thread. If you cared to discuss either of these examples in greater depth you should open new threads in the Proposed New Topics forum.

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