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Author Topic:   Great Pyramid Biblical Prophecy
Percy
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Message 47 of 94 (158081)
11-10-2004 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Davidjay
11-09-2004 1:21 PM


Re: Enoch designed the Pyramid
Hi David,

I participated quite a bit in some Great Pyramid threads earlier this year, and so I've just read through this thread. Precision was a concern that came up in the earlier discussions, and I see it has come up again in regard to this:

And what is the dimension of this room before you enter into the King’s Chamber…. It’s circular circumference touching each side and floor is 365.24 inches.

First, I think you've garbled this. My recollection is that the antechamber to the King's Chamber is not circular, but rectangular. Enoch's circle is an imaginary circle inscribed against the walls and floor and oriented vertically. I found a diagram on the Internet, this is a side view of the antechamber and the King's Chamber showing Enoch's circle:

We would be well advised to establish the accuracy of the 365.24 inch circumference of Enoch's Circle before discussing its significance. The length of the antechamber that I've found on the Internet (http://repertorium.net/rostau/measures.html#6) is 2.95 meters. In order for your 365.24 figure to be correct, the actual length would have to be 2.95299 meters, so that's one disparity you have to address right there.

Also, the length of a year in days is actually 365.242199. In order to get this figure for the year, the length of the antechamber would have to be 2.95301 meters.

One can imagine that unless the end walls of the antechamber are precisely parallel and very smooth that the actual length would vary according to where it was measured. You need evidence that the actual length of the antechamber is 2.95301 meters, and that the measurement is invariant no matter where conducted.

--Percy

Add missing units to reduce confusion. There are 39.37 inches in a meter.

This message has been edited by Percy, 11-10-2004 03:12 PM


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Percy
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Message 60 of 94 (158783)
11-12-2004 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Davidjay
11-12-2004 1:25 PM


Re: Entrance to the Pit of Descent
Davidjay in Message 53:

Paul wants 1/100th of an inch accuracy, me I just want to get within a year of the End Time Timeline...

Davidjay in Message 54:

Ha, I am happy to be within an inch of the Lord's true measurements, let the surveyors get it down to the day...

These contradict what you said back in Message 12:

And when you convert every inch into a day, you get 365.24 days which is the exact number of days it takes the Earth to travel around the SUN (SEE Tabernacle of the SUN)

So we need to establish whether you're actually making this claim or not. It sounds like you're dropping your claim that the measurement has astronomical significance, and that now you're only noting the correspondence to Enoch's age at death. Do I have this right?

Now that we know more precisely what you're claiming, the important question is why you read any significance into the fact that when multipied by pi one of the dimensions of one of the structures of the Great Pyramid in inches is equal to the length of Enoch's life in years?

--Percy

PS - When you reply to yourself it is difficult for people to tell who you're really replying to.


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Percy
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Message 66 of 94 (158809)
11-12-2004 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Davidjay
11-12-2004 2:36 PM


Davidjay writes:

Do read the Book of Enoch, and do understand that the Earth circles the SUN in 365.24 days more or less.

About reading the Book of Enoch, we're not here so you can hand out reading assignments. You're expected to make your arguments in your messages, providing references as you see fit. If a particular passage from Enoch supports your point then quote the passage. Check out the Forum Guidelines, all this is explained there.

I can see getting clear answers from you isn't going to be easy. Is it now your position that the circumference of the Enoch Circle in inches is equal to Enoch's lifetime in years (which is why it's Enoch's circle and not someone else's) which is approximately equal to the length of the year in days?

The important question remains why you read any significance into the fact that when multipied by pi one of the dimensions of one of the structures of the Great Pyramid in inches is equal to the length of Enoch's life in years?

I was taking you up the passageway...

Well, it turns out you were all by yourself in the passageway. I suggest you not reply to yourself when you're actually addressing someone else.

--Percy

PS - Click on the UBB Code in ON link so you can learn how to use the quoting features. It isnt' rocket science.


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Message 69 of 94 (159032)
11-13-2004 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by The Barbarian
11-13-2004 12:33 AM


LLM Claim Pops Up Again
The Barbarian writes:

Actually, the spot where the longest lines run is in India.

Because this was the topic of a very long drawn out discussion with WillowTree, it would be very helpful if you could track this down and provide the coordinates, as well as links to the data supporting this.

--Percy


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Message 76 of 94 (159068)
11-13-2004 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Davidjay
11-13-2004 12:39 PM


Re: Enoch designed the Great Pyramid
Davidjay writes:

Can you confirm that Enoch never existed or did NOT build the Great Pyramid.

I think you've got the way ideas are supported backwards. You have to provide evidence *for* your ideas in order to prove them, not just present ideas and consider them proven if no one can disprove them.

It would be just as unreasonable to ask, "Can you confirm that Ulysses never existed or did NOT build the Great Pyramid." We can't prove Ulysses never existed, and we can't prove he didn't build the Great Pyramid, but that doesn't mean he was a real person who build the Great Pyramid.

The facts are that other than Biblical references, there is no evidence that Enoch ever existed. If you have evidence that he was a real person then present it. And if you have evidence he designed and built the Great Pyramid, then you must present that, too.

so onward Christian soldiers, as we measure the passage ways and confirm the Lord's Prophecy.

Whoa, slow down a bit, what's your hurry? Surely you realize you're making one of the most extraordinary claims of all time. We want to be sure to consider this all very carefully. One doesn't want to rush through something so important.

The link you provided provides no evidence. It only asserts that Enoch was the designer of the GP because he was the master builder. Even if Enoch was the master builder, a point on which Genesis 5 is silent and so even this point must be held unsupported at this time, that is not evidence of what he built. Please provide the evidence that shows Enoch was a real person who designed the Great Pyramid.

I'm also interested in any evidence you have for the longest land meridian, longest land latitude, and center of gravity claims.

--Percy


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Message 78 of 94 (159325)
11-14-2004 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Davidjay
11-13-2004 2:29 PM


Re: Re With more Hypers
You're replying to yourself again!

If you read the Forum Guidelines you'll see that you're expected to make your points in your posts and use references in support. Your post is too many links and too little argumentation.

You've already made a number of assertions that you seem very reluctant to support, namely Enoch's circle and the LLM and related claims. I suggest you provide evidential support for what you've already claimed before moving on to other areas.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 80 of 94 (159736)
11-15-2004 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Davidjay
11-15-2004 1:04 PM


Re: Surely you Jest
Davidjay writes:

I have answered all questions, even though some are still on Enoch's Circle and LLM coordinates that have nothing to do with the full GREAT PYRAMID PROPHECY.

Are you dropping these claims? If you're dropping them then we can move on. If not, then support them, and when we resolve them we'll move on to your passageway data.

Why are you so opposed to study and measurements and logic and graphics for explanation.

I'm not at all, just the opposite, in fact. Why are you so reluctant to reply to inquiries about your claims. They're your claims, after all, and I'm sure you didn't just accept them without supporting evidence. So where's the evidence.

I already posted this image once and didn't receive a straight answer from you, so here it is again:

You claimed that Enoch's circle was amazing because it's circumference in inches is precisely equal to the length of the year in days, 365.24. I pointed out that the length of the year is actually 365.242199 days, and that unless the end walls of the antechamber are precisely parallel and very smooth that the actual length would vary according to where it was measured.

You replied in such a way that I couldn't tell whether you are still asserting this claim or not? And of course there's the larger question about why you read any significance into the fact that when multipied by pi one of the dimensions of one of the structures of the Great Pyramid in inches is equal to the length of Enoch's life in years?

Concerning the Longest Land Meredian claim, this has already been pretty thoroughly rebutted in the Longest Land Meridian thread. See Message 718 for the original data. Are you still asserting this claim? Or are you dropping it?

Thanks hoping you start your measuring..

Please. Like you've been to the GP and measured it yourself.

David, you *do* understand there's no basis for numerology, don't you, whether pyramidology or any other kind. Anyone can pull whatever "amazing coincidences" they like out of any large set of numbers, particularly when there is no way to establish rules about what is meaningful and what isn't.

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 82 of 94 (159741)
11-15-2004 1:42 PM
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11-15-2004 1:04 PM


Re: Surely you Jest
Brian mentions one thing I forgot. As he says, you also need evidence that Enoch was a real person who designed the Great Pyramid. Unless you're dropping this claim.

--Percy


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Message 87 of 94 (159834)
11-15-2004 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Davidjay
11-15-2004 3:44 PM


Re: Just a thought about proving guilt
Hi Davidjay,

Unless I'm badly misreading them, neither Ifen nor Loudmouth are endorsing your position or your approach. Ifen was wondering if perhaps the American legal system was leading you to adopt an invalid strategy. Loudmouth's post was making the point that you're expected to provide support in the form of evidence for what you're asserting.

Could you please address the earlier posts requesting that you be specific about whether you're still maintaining your claims about Enoch as the GP designer, the relation of Enoch's circle to the year, and the various meridian, latitude and center of gravity claims. If we can reach a resolution on these issues then we can move on. If not then I think we'll just move you and your thread over to Limbo.

--Percy


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