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Chiroptera
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Message 172 of 303 (243000)
09-13-2005 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Modulous
09-13-2005 2:37 PM


This is priceless.
quote:
This is basically what [Ken Hovind] said:

...For all I know the whale and the fish are the same kind.


Ha ha ha ha. And he wonders why even the main creationist groups don't take him seriously.

I remember that Niles Eldredge in his book The Monkey Business remarks that he suspects that creationists would be happy to put all the known species in a single "kind" as long as humans remain a separate distinct "kind".


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Message 174 of 303 (243003)
09-13-2005 3:09 PM
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09-13-2005 1:44 PM


Re: Two of a Kind, a Kind being what?
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Big difference between a koala and a panda. Koala is a marsupial, panda is a placental.

I believe that it was Robert Byers who, a long time ago on this board, was trying to argue that all the Australian animals are just normal placentals that microevolved their pouches and other distinctive marsupial traits due to a common environment.


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Message 190 of 303 (243053)
09-13-2005 5:05 PM
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09-13-2005 4:49 PM


What's holding them up?
Hello, Faith.

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It is even POSSIBLE that both marsupial and placental variations are genetically possible within a Kind, but until we get those many millions to set up labs for creationists to study genetics we'll never get to find out -- we can be sure evolutionists will never find out since they are bound to their paradigm and won't consider ours.

I don't see the problem; creation ministries don't seem to have to much trouble raising this kind of money:

What will the complex cost?
$25 million. This includes $12 million for the building and land and $13 million for interior design and exhibits. The support will come from sacrificial donations from AiG supporters and also through “gifts in kind” (i.e. a gift of materials and/or services in lieu of a cash gift).

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Message 215 of 303 (243365)
09-14-2005 3:24 PM
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09-13-2005 5:36 PM


Re: What's holding them up?
Hi, Faith.

I don't know what it would cost. It would depend on what type of genetic research on is doing. It costs next to nothing to breed Drosophila, for example, but if one wants to sequence genes then that would take some fancy equipment -- my guess is on the order of several tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of dollars. Maybe Wounded King has an answer -- doesn't he do this sort of thing?

So, what type of genetics lab is needed? If genetics is going to confirm creationism, how deep into the subject does one need to go?


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