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jar
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Message 121 of 161 (404984)
06-10-2007 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by simple
06-10-2007 9:23 PM


Re: How Sweet it is!
In response to my saying

There are quite a few facts that we have access to, far more than enough to prove that most of what is alleged by Biblical Creationists, YEC and those who believe in the Flood Myth are wrong.

keys replied:

quote:
You have access to no such facts.

Of course I do and you do as well if you will only be honest about it.

Consider the really stupid idea of a 6000 year old universe.

Go out at night.

Look at the night sky.

Pick a spot where there are no stars.

Look at that spot using binoculars and you will see it is not empty but filled with stars.

Pick a spot where even with the binoculars you see nothing.

Get a small telescope and look at that spot and you will find it too is not empty but filled with stars. You may even be able to see that some of the objects are not stars but rather whole galaxies, galaxies filled with millions, maybe billions of stars.

But using the small telescope, pick a spot where there is nothing.

Get a larger telescope and look at that area and you will find it too is not empty but that there are still more stars and galaxies to be seen.

You can continue this all the way up to the largest earth mounted telescopes and wherever you look, you will find more and more stars and galaxies with each increase in resolution.

If you then look using a telescope not here on earth, where it must look through our atmosphere, but rather one in space, you will find yet more galaxies.

If the Universe came into existence only 6000 years ago, then the most distant of those billions of billions of stars can be no further than 6000 light years away.

Sorry charley.

If all the stars that are visible were within 6000 light years of the earth, we would not be here.

The evidence that Biblical Creationists and Young Earth Creationists are wrong is overwhelming. Not only is there no evidence there ever was a world-wide flood, there is positive evidence that there was no such flood. Further, we know that by 6000 years ago mankind had spread to every continent and was pretty much advanced, having domesticated animals, developed several agricultural societies, was making pottery and artwork, and had extensive trading networks covering almost every area of the world.

If you are interested in learning, you have definitely come to the right place. May I suggest that you pick one question related to the age of the Universe that you would like to explore and see what the people here can teach you?


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Message 122 of 161 (404986)
06-10-2007 10:12 PM
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06-10-2007 10:05 PM


Re: How Sweet it is!
quote:
If the Universe came into existence only 6000 years ago, then the most distant of those billions of billions of stars can be no further than 6000 light years away.

Nonsense.

quote:
there is positive evidence that there was no such flood..

Well, maybe find a flood thread, and see how you fare with your claim.
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If you are interested in learning, you have definitely come to the right place. May I suggest that you pick one question related to the age of the Universe that you would like to explore and see what the people here can teach you?

I learn fast. When insulted by Nosy, and you, I learn real fast. Maybe you are the one that needs to learn some manners.
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jar
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Message 123 of 161 (404989)
06-10-2007 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by simple
06-10-2007 9:56 PM


BeingChristian does not mean you must remain ignorant.
No, let's not. The more important part of creation museums is God, and miracles, and things of a spirit nature. Let us start there. It's my thread, I set the rules. Maybe I should bump it to faith and belief.

Even from a theological perspective Biblical Creationism is terrible theology based on an insignificant and evil little goddlet who is incompetent and and a liar and trickster.

Let's look at it from that perspective.

If Biblical Creationism is true, the God is a liar and con man. He places false evidence, creates fraudulent facts simply to confound people.

Keys, being a Christian does not mean you have to check your brain at the door.


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Message 124 of 161 (404990)
06-10-2007 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Vacate
06-08-2007 4:05 AM


BE HAPPY
Cheer up, hearing both side of the story isn’t so bad. Seeing the flat earth was just like seeing transitional hominids, all imagination. I know its scary, but maybe someday your grandchildren may actually be allowed to reason for themselves. And besides Darwin has his own church now. www.thefirstchurchofevolution.org the flying spaghetti monster is not alone.
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Message 125 of 161 (404993)
06-10-2007 10:24 PM
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06-10-2007 10:16 PM


Re: BeingChristian does not mean you must remain ignorant.
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Even from a theological perspective Biblical Creationism is terrible theology based on an insignificant and evil little goddlet who is incompetent and and a liar and trickster.

Insults. Maybe address the topic here. I posted an example exhibit from the museum. It was of Jesus risen from the dead. I see nothing evil about that.

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Keys, being a Christian does not mean you have to check your brain at the door.

I see. So, are you suggesting that you did or did not do this?
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jar
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Message 126 of 161 (404994)
06-10-2007 10:26 PM
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06-10-2007 10:12 PM


How high the sky?
I said:

If the Universe came into existence only 6000 years ago, then the most distant of those billions of billions of stars can be no further than 6000 light years away.

to which keys replied:

quote:
Nonsense.

Pray tell?

We see the stars. If they only came into existence 6000 years ago and the light from the stars is here now, how can they be farther than 6000 light years away?

Stars are an absolute killer to the Young Earth Position. If the Universe is only 6000 years old then all we can see cannot be older than 6000 years. That means if the light is here, the star must be no more than 6000 light years away.

All the billions of billions of billions of stars packed into a tiny ball.

Your ministers and preachers have been lying to you.

What is worse is they have been lying to you about stuff you can go outside and check yourself any night.

If they lie to you about stuff where they certainly will be caught, how much else have they lied to you about?


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Message 127 of 161 (404997)
06-10-2007 10:31 PM
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06-10-2007 10:26 PM


Re: How high the sky?
So, I can go out and check what the sky was like in the garden of Eden? How would I do that? And, how does that relate to the topic?

About your insulting and condescending claims that my teachers did this or that, and have been lying, are you aware that insults are not allowed here??? I thought Nosy came in and made that clear? Do you overrule the admins here??

Edited by keys, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 128 of 161 (405004)
06-10-2007 10:48 PM
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06-10-2007 10:31 PM


Re: How high the sky?
So, I can go out and check what the sky was like in the garden of Eden? How would I do that? And, how does that relate to the topic?

Actually we know a whole lot about what the sky and the world was like at the supposed time of the Garden on Eden and for millions of years before that. We know what people of the time ate, how they dressed, where they traded, what they found valuable, how they hunted. We know lots about the folk living 6000 years ago, and even long before that.

Look at the thread Message 1

But that is not the point.

If all the stars we can see are within 6000 light years of us, we would be fried by the radiation. Life likely would not exist.

If you wish to assert that the universe is 6000 years old, you need to present a model that can explain all the stars we can see being within 6000 light years of us.

About your insulting and condesending claims that my teachers dis this or that, and have been lying, are you aware that insults are not allowed here??? I thought Nosy came in and made that clear? Do you overrule the admins here??

Telling you that your teachers (and I certainly hope you don't mean that actual teachers are teaching kids that the Universe is only 6000 years old, I was hoping that only the ministers and pastors had been lying to you) are lying to you is not an insult. It is simply fact.

The fact is, in a 6000 year old universe all the stars must be no more than 6000 light years away from us. Remember the galaxies as well. A small galaxy might only have 20 million stars in it but there are some with billions of stars and giant galaxies that have up to trillions of stars.

Just to give you an idea of how many stars we are talking about squeezing in that little ball of a universe you believe in, there are more than 100 Billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Note that is the Observable Universe. It is a conservative number.

Your little universe you believe in must hold over 100 Billion Galaxies each consisting of from tens of millions of stars to trillions of stars.

Where is the model for that?


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Message 129 of 161 (405006)
06-10-2007 10:54 PM
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06-10-2007 10:48 PM


Re: How high the sky?
Very nice. So, what about the exhibit again?
To get into your concerns about what you think should be taught, or about light, that would take another thread.
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Message 130 of 161 (405010)
06-10-2007 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Wounded King
06-08-2007 4:13 AM


FAITH
Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 For faith to be a lie you need proof. The only proof you have is your faith in Darwinism. That’s just another religion.
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jar
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Message 131 of 161 (405011)
06-10-2007 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by simple
06-10-2007 10:54 PM


Re: How high the sky?
The exhibit is simply a continuation of Christian Cult of Ignorance lies and just another way for the leaders of the Christian Cult of Ignorance to get gullible Christians to fork over money.

It is filled with one lie after another, so many lies that any truth that might be hidden inside will get swept out with the chaff.

To get into your concerns about what you think should be taught, or about light, that would take another thread.

That is fine. We can discuss it in any thread.

The FACT remains that a 6000 year old universe cannot fit with what we observe, there is absolute evidence there has never been a world-wide flood, the Grand Canyon Can Not be explained by the flood and man did not live with dinosaurs.

So the Museum is just another Con to get Ignorant Christians to fork over money.


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Message 132 of 161 (405014)
06-10-2007 11:04 PM
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06-09-2007 7:53 AM


JUST ANOTHER RELIGION
Don’t forget The First Church of Evolution www.fcefaith.org they got faith too.
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Message 133 of 161 (405015)
06-10-2007 11:10 PM
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06-10-2007 11:03 PM


Re: How high the sky?
No fact anything like that remains, or even ever existed. If you have something to say about the resurrection exhibit, let us know. The light of the world seems to be a kind of light that is beyond your limitations.
You should stop insulting other beliefs.
'Christian Cult of Ignorance lies'
Do you need to get reported??
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Message 134 of 161 (405018)
06-10-2007 11:14 PM
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06-10-2007 11:04 PM


Re: JUST ANOTHER RELIGION
Of course those that believe in the creation via a big bang, that they cannot even begin to address how it got there are a religion. Of course those that rail and insult creation, offering fables they cannot begin to prove are a religion.
I have more respect for religions that admit they are what they are!
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jar
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Message 135 of 161 (405019)
06-10-2007 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by simple
06-10-2007 11:10 PM


Re: How high the sky?
You should stop insulting other beliefs.
'Christian Cult of Ignorance lies'
Do you need to get reported??

To whom?

For what?

No fact anything like that remains, or even ever existed.

I gave you facts that disprove a 6000 year old universe.

Claiming I did not is simply sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "Nah-Nah-Nah".

If someone wants to set up some Christian Theme Park with animated resurrection models, fine. I find it demeaning to the lessons of Jesus but they are free to do so.

But that is also totally irrelevant to the topic of "Creationism museum opens in Alberta."

That is continuing a lie and fraud and just another way to get ignorant Christians to fork over money. Pretty much like the Conathon called the 700 Club.

Please understand that I am a Christian and I take Christianity very seriously. It is those who Blaspheme the Holy Spirit like your teachers I get upset about.


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