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Author Topic:   Can science refute the "god hypothesis" beyond all reasonable doubt?
subbie
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Message 5 of 310 (485865)
10-12-2008 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
10-12-2008 1:05 PM


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Is it possible for science to refute the "god hypothesis" beyond all reasonable doubt?
This question cannot be answered without specifying exactly what the "god hypothesis" is.
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What must such a hypothesis entail if it is to be able to be subjected to scientific enquiry (which after all is the very meaning of the term hypothesis)?
At a minimum, it must include some real world, observable consequences. In addition, if the postulated consequences are something that could occur even in the absence of god (the "good guys" beating the "bad guys" in a war, for example), there must be some way to distinguish a god-influenced outcome from a non-god-influenced outcome.
I am not of the belief that postulated miracles cannot be scientifically investigated, to a degree. To the extent that the means of creating a miracle are supernatural, the means cannot be scientifically investigated. But, to the extent that a particular observed phenomenon is attributed to a miraculous agent, I think that can be investigated. In the process of this investigation, one must be particularly careful of not simply falling for an argument from ignorance.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 47 of 310 (485979)
10-14-2008 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Agobot
10-14-2008 4:12 AM


Science: the best friend to the god of the gaps
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Was abiogenesis proven? Would the forces behind the idea of abiogenesis be explained and understood? Does science already know what forces lie behind the emergence of the singularity? Did the Evolution theory explain why there is a pre-programmed death in each cell of our bodies, when natural selection favours replication and hence a longer eternal life would bring more chances of replication and better survival rates? Did science explain what lies beneath what is labelled as "Emergent properties" or do atheist just try to wipe off the uncomfortable questions under the carpet and pretend they don't exist? Does science know all the answers yet?
One would have thought that by now you'd be aware of the dangers of defining god as questions science has yet to answer.
On the other hand, I'm sure we've all heard the aphorism that every answer raises two more questions. If that's true, then every question that science answers actually strengthens the god of the gaps argument, just like every transitional fossil doubles the problem for evolution because it adds another gap to fill.
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*blink*
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Damn, this science stuff is tougher than I thought.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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