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Author Topic:   Can science refute the "god hypothesis" beyond all reasonable doubt?
Coyote
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Message 32 of 310 (485940)
10-13-2008 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by dogrelata
10-13-2008 10:17 AM


Re: Potential for role reversal?
There is another consideration, which I feel has a great bearing on my views in this area. It concerns the tendency for modern theisms to portray their deities as some sort of ”super human’ entity. This has never made much sense to me, and seems a bit like a subliminal desire by humanity to project itself onto the fabric of the universe by suggesting that not only has the universe been put here for our benefit, but that the force(s) behind its existence can be explained in terms of ”humanoid’ purpose and creativity.
Greek and Roman, and even many Native American, deities were "super human" as well. Or is that included in your "modern?"
And...
quote:
A Man Said to the Universe
A man said to the universe:
"Sir, I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."
Stephen Crane (1871-1900)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 60 of 310 (486000)
10-14-2008 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by onifre
10-14-2008 1:22 PM


Re: Science and Atheism
...the enormously complex intelligent diety that would require a bigger explanation that the original question.
Its intelligent designers all the way up?

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Message 75 of 310 (486019)
10-14-2008 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by onifre
10-14-2008 8:22 PM


Re: Answers
...and not one mans interpretation of scriptures.
...ay, there's the rub.
If it was just one man's interpretation it wouldn't be a problem. But its millions if not a couple of billion men and their varying interpretations.
Wars have been fought over men's interpretations. The original church has split and split again, till now there are thousands or tens of thousands of different flavors of Christianity.
And how might these differences be reconciled? Why, through further interpretations, of course! Or through revelation (its true, you must trust me!).
Pah! You can have it.
With science we have evidence against which to measure different ideas, and to determine which shall be accepted and which shall be rejected.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 95 of 310 (486051)
10-15-2008 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by ICANT
10-15-2008 12:49 PM


Re: Answers
Agobot writes:
Sadly, I am unable to find anything even remotely related to reality, life and science in the ancient books. They say most religions started by their leaders taking psychedelic plants, psychedelic mushrooms, etc
There are 34,000 + religions in the world. I don't know how many was started as you say.
The one I follow was started by a man walking by the sea of Galilee calling 4 fishermen to follow Him and become fishers of men.
I call your attention to John M. Allegro's The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
Allegro was one of the early translators for the Dead Sea Scrolls.
http://www.amazon.com/...hristianity-Fertility/dp/0340128755

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Message 100 of 310 (486060)
10-15-2008 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Straggler
10-15-2008 1:54 PM


Re: Science and Atheism
If evidence is the means by which we differentiate truth from falsehood then the above demonstrates that subjective faith based reasoning is no form of evidence at all and is an inherently unreliable method of drawing conclusions.
That is why falsified ideas in science fall from view (except for a few internet kooks).
But in religion there is no way to falsify a belief, so you have a schism. That is why there are so many religions and so many denominations within them: there is no way to evaluate the beliefs against evidence.

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Coyote
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Message 146 of 310 (486242)
10-17-2008 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by rueh
10-17-2008 12:48 PM


Re: Answers
Just a quick side question if I may. Does anyone know if the conquistadors were thought of as gods by the native Americans when they were first encounterd? Or is this just myth and rumor? If true than I think this serves as a perfect example of how technology can impart god like qualities to those who are in truth, merely human.
Not sure about the conquistadors.
In California the Spanish were initially seen as powerful sorcerers by many the Indian groups. One example: the Spanish were seen to control animals (horses, mules, etc.), something the Indians themselves attempted through rituals.

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Message 181 of 310 (486325)
10-18-2008 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Agobot
10-18-2008 12:46 PM


Re: Atheists are smart, right?
Why is there no need for the assumption that only energy cannot create the universe we are in? Because it's against the atheistic dogma?
You do realize that if energy is shown to be the force behind creation, pretty much all of the world's religions will be shown to be false?

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