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derwood
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Message 1 of 30 (51103)
08-19-2003 12:33 PM


Riv Biol. 2002 Sep-Dec;95(3):379-412.
The history of the human female inferiority ideas in evolutionary biology.
Bergman G.
Northwest State College, 22-600 State Rt 34, Archbold, Ohio 43502, USA.
A review of the prominent late 19th-century biological writings reveals that a major plank of early evolution theory was the belief that women were intellectually and physically inferior to men. Female inferiority was a logical conclusion of the Darwinian world view because males were believed to be exposed to far greater selective pressures than females, especially in war, competition for mates, food and clothing. Conversely, women were protected from selection by norms that required adult males provide for and protect women and children. Darwinists taught that as a result of this protection, natural selection operated far more actively on males than on females, producing male superiority in virtually all intellectual and skill areas. As a result, males became "more evolved" than women. The women inferiority doctrine is an excellent example of the fact that armchair logic often has been more important in building Darwinism than fossil and other empirical evidence.
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G. Bergman is Jerry Bergman, author of "Vestigial Organs Are Fully Functional: A History and Evaluation of the Vestigial Organ Origins Concept (Creation Research Society Monograph Ser)", "The Creation Evolution Controversy: A Bibliographic Guide from 1839 to the Present: Books (Garland Reference Library of Social Science, Vol 282)", and innumerable essays and articles in various creationist rags... I for one would not be real proud of having articles published in that venu...
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derwood
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Message 5 of 30 (51137)
08-19-2003 1:50 PM
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08-19-2003 12:42 PM


Hence the thread title....
Eagerly awaiting Moose's closing of the thread....

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Message 7 of 30 (51180)
08-19-2003 5:52 PM
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08-19-2003 2:53 PM


Snore....
There's a bugaboo behind every tree....

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derwood
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Message 12 of 30 (51356)
08-20-2003 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by John A. Davison
08-20-2003 9:14 AM


Re: Incoherent ramblings
I see your self-titled post is as filled with intellignet discourse as your typical ARN/Brainstorms/EvC posts ever were.
I posted what I did to give yet another example to support the suspicion that Rivista, despite its 'age' (you have previously felt the need to poiunt out that the journal has been published for - what was it - over 100 years or something?) it has become something of a clearinghouse for fringe, especially anti-evolution nonsense.
So, were I one trying to proclaim the superiority of my ideas by pointing to thei venu of publication, I think I would prefer a more legitimate source.
This is sort of like a journalist bragging about getting a piece in the Weekly World News and demanding to be taken seriously.
So - do you have a red SUV?
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(2) "A second characteristic of the pseudo-scientist, which greatly strengthens his isolation, is a tendency toward paranoia," which manifests itself in several ways:
...(3) He believes himself unjustly persecuted and discriminated against...(4) He has strong compulsions to focus his attacks on the greatest scientists and the best-established theories. ..

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Message 16 of 30 (51396)
08-20-2003 2:31 PM
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08-20-2003 1:50 PM


Re: Incoherent ramblings
quote:
I don't know where he got the idea that I am not an evolutionist. Just because I have, like many others, rejected Darwinian foolishness does not make me a bible thumping fundamentalist
No, but your inabiliuty to update your set-in-stone ideology indoicates that you abandoned reson and science long ago. I didn't say, of course, that you are not an evolutionist, but it is clear from your incoherent, error-riddled, insubstantial blabberings that you do not - and apparently never did - understand evolution in the first place (lest you wouldnot need to rely upon caricatures all the time) or have abandoned what the evidence indicates in favor of a silly reliance upon the personal beliefs of a handful of (long dead)eccentrics (some of whom actually espouse views counter to yours).
The salty-version of "evolution" relies far more on "chance" (not to mention bizarre extrapolation and NO actual experimentation)than does actual evolution, so I am still a bit confused as to why salty is aghast at the concept of randomness.
And, of course, the fact that your ramblings only seem able to be "published" in a clearinghouse for fringe pseudoscience (Rivista) and an online anti-evolution organization (ISCID) doesn't speak highly of its scientific content.

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Message 23 of 30 (51872)
08-22-2003 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Mammuthus
08-22-2003 12:38 PM


Re: A small point
Bergman's affiliation has been an issue before. Just another example of 'credentialism', which 'evos' are accused of all the time...

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Message 25 of 30 (52500)
08-27-2003 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Mammuthus
08-25-2003 12:18 PM


Re: A small point
Last I knew, Wells was still implying that he is at Berkeley.

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