Tesla and Superweapons.

One thing we know from studying Telsa is that conspiracies are real. We can see that in the denial of his wireless patents despite his publishing specific radio designs which Marconi used. Nevertheless his patents were denied until after Tesla's death in the 40s. In fact, when I went to school, I was still taught the lie that Marconi invented radio.Another thing to keep in mind when considering Tesla's claims is that it is probably a waste of time to debate those claims with people that are inclined to reject them anyway. It will be quite easy to find popular scientific opinion against him, but does that mean the popular opinion is correct?Consider the case of over-the-horizon radar. Over 100 years ago, Tesla claimed to have discovered over the horizon radar, but was roundly criticized by the mainstreamers who all insisted it was physically impossible. It wasn't until the 1950s that the military rediscovered over the horizon radar. Tesla was, of course, correct.In fact, the only reason we use Tesla's first generation technology for the power grid is due to the fact that despite organizations like the Smithsonian touting Edison, Edison's system didn't work. If it did, we would probably still be told that alternating current was dangerous and couldn't be used to transport electricity over long distances. In other words, it's solely due to money, to financial interests, that Tesla's technology for the power grid was not suppressed. Financial interests could make money on it and so it was not suppressed.So Tesla designed the Niagra Falls power plant.....it's worth noting when you go to the Smithsonian, you will see a life-sized portrait of Edison in the area showing the power plant with no mention of Tesla there. There is just a reference to a dispute with "another inventor". About the only credit they give Tesla is for the induction morot.What's sad is that he and his supporters had to fight so hard to even bring us the power grid when at the time, he had already obsoleted it with a wireless design for distribution of power. Not many understand that he wasn't talking about transporting the power as much as manipulating energy fields, both things like the earth's energy field and what we would call the vacuum or quantum field which isn't considered an "energy field" per se.But the bottom line is the banks could make more money transporting power over lines in a crude manner and so that's what we still have today.Tesla, for those that don't know, also invented the induction motor and invented or was an early pioneer of many things.In terms of superweapons, Tesla's particle beam weapon designs he offered to the Allies, which due to costs was rejected in favor of the atom bomb, seems to be the same or very similar to Star Wars type research and weapons. More significantly, one can easily imagine if the ability as Tesla claimed and demonstrated, for power to be wireless, one can imagine how to weaponize that so that power is produced as a bomb of sorts anywhere on the globe, and that's the current speculation over scalar weapons. It's worth noting that Defense Secretary Cohen in the 90s stated such weapons are "real" and a genuine terrorist threat.To properly understand Telsa's more fantastic technology, one needs to understand his claim of working with non-Hertzian or longitidinal waves. Tesla expressed this as waves moving through the ether. Today, it would be expressed as potential energy moving through the vacuum.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

I think there is a 3rd option you are not considering. His technology was supressed or abandoned because we were in the midst of working with his first generation stuff and those financing that didn't want to see all that investment go down the toilet.So the technology was lost to a degree except that Tesla lived a long time after that. In the 40s, he sent plans for various weapons designs to all the Allies including the Soviets.The theory is that research on his stuff picked up some in the 50s and in the US, picked up in the 80s under Reagan. So it's not that it was kept secret for decades by the government or anything although the denial of his patent rights did serve that function as Tesla could have self-financed the project. Just like in the 50s when the military rediscovered over the horizon radar, it may well be they looked into some of his other ideas....or that's the theory.Problem is the existence of scalar weapons really is either a well-kept secret or a myth. The strongest public statement of anyone verifying their existence was made by Defense Secretary Cohen who stated they were real and that terrorists were seeking to use such weapons to trigger earth-quakes and other disasters from remote locations by electro-magnetic means.....pretty much fit exactly what conspiracy people stated scalar weapons can do. So Cohen's statement makes me think there is something up, as well as Tesla's claims.I tend to think if Tesla could do it and gave some hints on how to do it, that others with enough effort and research could develop some of this technology and weaponize it. Whether that's the case though, it's hard to say.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

couple of points....Tesla was not shunned because of comments on Einstein since Einstein came later, well after the mainstreamers shunned him. In reality, we wouldn't even use the power grid he devised except that Edison's was a total flop. Tesla was bankrupted, denied his patents, etc,...by financial interests and the scientific community played along with the deception. That's what happened. Einstein wasn't even on the scene when this went down.Second point is there is a good reason such weapons would not be used....same reason neither the Soviets or us nuked one another. Moreover, most of the people claiming actual knowledge of such weapons stated we were behind in it's deployment. So we couldn't use it because we didn't have it. The reports, as fantastic as they are, claim Israel had it and checked the Soviets who would have been the ones to use it, against us I might add.I think we've probably gotten up to speed but are not leading the way with this sort of technology, in part because our scientists keep saying it isn't possible. Tesla's track record on things like over the horizon radar suggests, however, that it is. In fact, there are reports even in the encyclopedia Britannica, that Tesla demonstrated this....he powered things by remote control, not just directed them by remote control, though he invented that too, but could send power wirelessly without the loss of power associated with wires.Perhaps the technology was lost with him though? Who knows, but seems odd if no one else would explore that technology as a weapon. The Soviets certainly were trying. Hard to say if they succeeded.

"seems unlikely" to you isn't the same as being so.....but it could be our government didn't keep the secret and is a latecomer to the technologyBut I'll grant you that the idea of superweapons we don't know about it is harder to accept that just wireless power being suppressed for financial interests. I'll say this......keeping the public unaware that Tesla invented radio instead of Marconi was very effective for a long time. The only reason the US came clean on this was to avoid royalty payments to Italian companies.Edited by randman, : No reason given.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

I am not anti-science at all....just anti bogus science. Additionally, recognizing miracles happen has nothing to do with being pro or anti-science. It's people's ignorance and stupidity, of what science is and is capable of, to think accepting miracles means you are anti-science, or to think rejecting miracles is part of being pro-science.Scientists that reject the idea miracles can occur based on science are hypocrites if they also don't reject they love their spouse since it's not a scientific position either!It's just silliness. Science is limited by technology and so the current state of science will always be somewhat primitive compared to the future state, assuming we continue to technologically advance.Edited by randman, : No reason given.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

It's probably worth noting that Eastlund, the inventor whose patents are associated with the government project, HAARP, cited Tesla in his patent. The Skeptic Files - SkepticFiles SettingNot much is disclosed anymore but Eastlund at one time stated the technology could be used to alter and control weather and disrupt communications, missile and planes. The US government funded it.....maybe it's part of the military's stated goal of "owning the weather."Edited by randman, : No reason given.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

Well, I find the critics of "perpetual motion" to be illogical often and even deceptive, and the reason is most so-called perpetual motion machines or ideas are not perpetual motion machines at all, and anyone can verify that. Critics label them perpetual motion and so show an utter intellectual dishonesty, imo, just as they did with Tesla.....at least this has been my experience.If you have a constant power supply, you do not have perpetual motion. Advocates of energy from the vacuum, right or wrong, believe the vacuum or as tesla would say, the ether, is a constant source of energy. So it's wrong to blast such "free energy" ideas as perpetual motion machines (suggesting that the "perpetual motion" is not tied to perpetual power input).Btw, I haven't read your particular link and so cannot comment on that, but am commenting on what I have noticed over the years among those blasting ideas as "perpetual motion" machines when it's clear the intent is merely to harness perpetual energy input or practically perpetual (as long as the machines will last). In that regard, solar energy is a perpetual motion machine....Edited by randman, : No reason given.

I think the evidence supports Tesla's claims or many of them. Who knows on super-weapons, but to dismiss Tesla because of lack of evidence considering he demonstrated his claims often and the fact of his being right on so many other things suggests a willing suspension of belief, not a careful examination of the evidence.Part of the problem is too often people are not looking at his specific claims. For example, he admits to try to transmit power via standard EM waves everyone else uses was impractical. He claimed he could transmit power, for example and just one technigue, through the energy field of the earth itself without loss of power to any point on the earth and to have done so experimentally. Keep in mind he also claimed other means of wireless power.Are there really longtidunal EM waves that work like sound waves, as he claimed? I think his work and claims suggest there is. Just like his claim of over the horizon radar 100 years ago turned out to be correct, I believe he is correct here but that mainstream scientific opinion has been slow to give proper review of what he was saying out of their ignorance, founded on faulty theory. In the case of over the horizon radar, when a clear need presented itself, we employed it in the 50s. I suspect as pollution and resource scarity make it clear we need something besides Tesla's first generation technology, over 100 years old, that we will move on to his 2nd or 3rd generation stuff.Additionally, it would not surprise me if in the past 40 years, we classify some of his stuff as it becomes apparent it can become weaponized, and indeed, the military is using his technology with HAARP and other programs, and the Eastlund patent specifies it can be used to disrupt missiles, planes, communications and modify weather.That's clear evidence if you ask me, that his technology in that area is both valid and being deployed in weapons systems. That may not verify more advanced weapons systems such as scalar weapons, but at the same time, we do have the US Sec of Defense under Clinton admitting they are real.

Many people have never even heard of Tesla before, much less the full scope of his inventiveness. But if you are interested in science, he makes a good study. The fact is no other scientist has had the profound effect he has had on the way we live. He is the father of the modern, electrical world. He was once a household word and yet for a long time, hardly anyone knew about him....seems there's been a revival of interest in Tesla.Just for reference, he discovered and developed the use of alternating current and the power grid we use today. He also invented the induction motor, radio (wireless communication), remote control, flourescent lighting, and a whole host of things, and was an early pioneer of X-rays, radar, particle beam weapons designs, etc,... They say when the guys that pulled the patent for the transitor did so, they found Tesla had beat them to it. Keep in mind that despite having something like a 1000 patents, the vast majority of inventions and later work, he never patented due to cost restraints. The more you dig into what Tesla did, the more amazing it is.There are still patents of Tesla's just now being put into use, and who knows what would have happened if he wasn't defrauded his wireless patents and hadn't given away patents to Westinghouse to help him avoid JP Morgan's hostile takeover attempt.

You'd have to define quantum electronics first to fully answer you since there appears on this board to be a contrarian perspective of what quantum physics is compared to mainstream QM.But that being said, mainstream EM opinion doesn't explain what Tesla was able to do, but then again, maybe there isn't really a mainstream EM opinion.btw, this may be helpful to the discussionhttp://www.cheniere.org/references/TeslaOSC.pdfEdited by randman, : No reason given.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

You haven't explained how you think quantum electronics disagrees with Tesla's claims. If you want to do that and specify where he claimed one thing, preferably not something in theory but something technical that he accomplished and how that disagrees with current theory, then by all means go ahead.However, asking how quantum electonics disagrees with Tesla or what we have observed without getting specific is not that helpful.

Well, faulty theory was the reason mainstream scientific opinion rejected over the horizon radar. They said it was physically impossible. That is a specific example where faulty theory or interpretation of theory was wrong and Tesla was right.To be honest, I think "theory" here could refer to more than one thing. As you probably know because you or someone alluded to it, some advocates of scalar weapons say we have uncovered evidence in the world of physics of energy from the vacuum but have not adopted those findings into the world of electro-dynamics. In other words, the claim is electrical engineering theory is not up to speed with the discoveries of physics and is outdated. I am sure you are aware of the specific claims. Tom Bearden, whether whistleblower or crackpot, has publicized them, and you seem to have referred to him earlier.So when you talk of "quantum electrical theory", that's all fine and well. It may well be that Tesla's claims fit with that or not. I'd like to see more specifics to answer you. Like I said, just talking about basic quantum physics with some here has produced an extreme variety of meaning to the point that when I provided quotes of quantum physicists that clearly disagreed with cavediver, for example, he claims the physicists didn't mean what he said but was just inflating his language to impress people.How do you debate something then when the same terms means exact opposite things? Edit to add: note to admin: I am not trying to debate QED or quantum physics here, but simply explaining why I am not getting into it (which you stated should be another thread btw). No attempt at rules violations here....at least imho. Just trying to explain myself and posts earlier in simpler terms.So as far as QED related to Tesla claims, you need to show me exactly where you think theory disagrees with Tesla.My comments on people rejecting Tesla's claims deal first with their doing so 100 years ago, and then reluctance to accept his claims today based on perception of theory, of what is possible, which is probably rooted in classical EM theory. To debate QED's extent and scope is not my intent here, except maybe some points guys like Bearden raises. The point is the perception of what is possible or real has resulted in people rejecting longitudinal waves or energy within the vacuum as wrong.Edited by randman, : No reason given.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

Already named it. First, the view of theory when Tesla first presented the discovery of over the horizon radar was such that mainstream scientists stated it was impossible.How can I be more clear?If you want to delve into the specifics of why scientists felt over the horizon radar was impossible, please do so. I am merely pointing out they felt it was physically impossible (obviously based on their theory of what was possible and not).On to the present, from what I can tell, the existence of longtitudinal waves, as Tesla described, or described in more modern technical language perhaps by some like Bearden, is not accepted by most mainstream scientists or engineers.You tell me: what theory were these guys working with, what specific ideas within theory, do you think people reject Tesla's concepts of longitunal waves and other ideas?Why did they reject over the horizon radar, for example?Why did they think it was impossible? Clearly, they had some theory as to why it was impossible, right?

Uh huh, so despite your belief it is off-topic, you'd like as an admin request I discuss it anyway?Inconsistent anyone?See my post below.Edit again to add: you guys seem to be ignoring the issue, which you told me was off-topic earlier, of the various interpretations of the physical meaning of quantum electronics and quantum physics in general. Since there is disagreement between what, say someone like cavediver says at times, with someone like Zeilinger, and I am told to shut up when bringing up quantum physicists into the argument, it's not going to be fruitful to get into a discussion of quantum physics here, it seems.Now, if son goku or anyone wants to bring up a specific concept within quantum electrodynamics or quantum physics, and you allow it, maybe we can discuss that in relation to Tesla's claims.Edited by randman, : No reason given.Edited by randman, : No reason given.

btw, an interesting article that seems relevant to this discussionhttp://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html