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03-28-2005 8:59 AM

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08-06-2005 12:00 PM 		Reply to: Message 168 by Evopeach
08-05-2005 6:14 PM

Re: Fundamental lack of understanding of molecular biology
I'm replying in Admin mode because I'm not sure the discussion about the relationship of mrna to DNA replication is on-topic. If it is on-topic, then this portion of your reply seems a good beginning to addressing Trixie's challenge that mrna isn't involved in DNA replication:
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Evopeach writes:
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As to whether there is transcription of the bases after the division of DNA into two strands, sense and antisense, by a protein (RNA polymerase) which uncoils the helix. The RNA polymerase is also acting on the sense strand and spining out a strand of mrna, note mrna. It is transferring information from the DNA to the ribosome so that a particular protein called helicase can be made it being absolutely vital to the replication of DNA. Helicase of course is that enzyme which separates the DNA strands for replication and along with DNA polymerase asists in the formation of a new DNA strand from free floating bases. Topoisomerase another enzyme/protein is holding tension on the yet to be unwound DNA a mechanical chore if you will.
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If I understand you, you're saying that helicase is produced as a byproduct of the replication process. The question this raises is that since helicase is essential to splitting the DNA helix, at least some helicase must have been present before the splitting process began. Is your point that some of the helicase produced during replication is fed back to the process to help it continue?
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If your main reason for being in this thread is to discuss the scientific nature of ID, then after your short suspension please continue, by all means. But you may want to peruse the Forum Guidelines and take them to heart if you'd like your participation here to continue uninterrupted. Requests to clarify what you're saying should not be interpreted as opportunities to cast insults. I know it takes two to tango, and it appears possible that others may have began casting snide questions first (unraveling cross-accusations of "He did it first" takes too much time and is pointless anyway), but what often happens in such cases is that several parties find themselves temporarily suspended.
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08-07-2005 8:34 PM 		Reply to: Message 187 by Theus
08-07-2005 5:28 PM

Re: Evidence War?
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Stop playing the victim and hold yourself to the higher standards that your opponents have occupied for a century and a half. Then perhaps you will make some headway. Until then, you're more whinny than Luke Skywalker in Episode IV.
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Though it isn't mentioned in the Forum Guidelines, misspelling whiney (which can also be spelled whiny) isn't permitted at EvC Forum. This is very important, and so it almost isn't worth mentioning that your criticism is a bit over the top.
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Seriously, tone it down just a tad. You're replying to a message from last March, anyway.
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08-09-2005 10:05 AM 		Reply to: Message 210 by Evopeach
08-08-2005 11:27 PM

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So long as every observation is greeted with some fantastic just-so story with out a single fact, no observations, no experimental evidence as being the truth, the light and the way simply because someone can imagine a way it could have been ... therefore it was that way QED.; evolution will continue to reguarded with scepticism such as that of the D.I. 400.
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There *is* a thread called The Nature of Scientific Inquiry; Is Evolution Science? that is still open if you want to discuss whether evolution is scientific or not. This thread is about whether ID is scientific.
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08-09-2005 10:16 AM 		Reply to: Message 221 by Evopeach
08-09-2005 9:47 AM

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You're replying to yourself and you didn't quote anything. It's difficult to tell who you're replying to. But this seems a continuation of your point about the qualifications of evolution as science. Once again, that is not the topic of this thread. Critisizing evolution is fine, that's what the forum is for, but the Forum Guidelines require that you stay on topic in a thread.
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Just so you're not surprised, I don't give lots of warnings. Your next off-topic post will earn you a 24-hour vacation.
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08-09-2005 8:34 PM

I'm Appalled!
I'm sorry I wasn't able to return to this thread for so many hours. EvoPeach is apparently determined to be as unconstructive as possible and has used up the rest of this thread on dribble. I'm closing this down.
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