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Dr Jack
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Message 137 of 182 (115734)
06-16-2004 11:43 AM
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06-16-2004 11:34 AM


Re: I see JM
Mendel was a Creationist and is the father of genetics.
Mendel was not a creationist in the modern sense.
The Linnean classification system was borne out of the search for the Created Kinds.
This is simply false.
Newton understood this world and the universe to be the product of the Creator. He conducted his science under that framework.
Yes, he did. However none of his useful work referenced or required that framework. No-one is saying you can't be a theist and do good science, it's when you bring supernaturalism into your work that you hit problems. (Notice the lack of remembered works on alchemy and astrology by Newton?)

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Message 141 of 182 (115740)
06-16-2004 12:26 PM
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06-16-2004 11:57 AM


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Sure he was. As was Pasteur, Newton, Kepler, Copernicus et al.
No, they weren't - modern creationism is about finding pseudo-scientific lies to support discredited ideas. Pasteur, Neton, Kepler and Copernicus may well have belived in a created world but they weren't going around lying to defend it.
No, Linne was searching for the Created Kinds. That is a fact. He came up with binimial nomenclature to name these kinds.
It's a lie. He was attempting to classify the diversity of life; created kinds didn't come into it.

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Dr Jack
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Message 146 of 182 (115746)
06-16-2004 12:40 PM
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06-16-2004 12:34 PM


Re: I see JM
Yes they were. Creationists are those who are convinced by the evidence that God Created the universe and life.
Where is your evidence that they were ever convinced by any evidence? Since no alternative explanation existed at the time do you not think that a more likely explanation is that they never questioned it.
No lies needed to defend that position. Perhaps your misrepresentation of what a Creationist is needs to be fixed.
Funny that creationists lie all the time then.
I love the way you post a link that supports my view. He was looking to classify nature, not find 'created kinds'. Whether he believed in such kinds or not is not the point.

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Message 164 of 182 (115975)
06-17-2004 5:36 AM
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06-16-2004 12:46 PM


Re: I see JM
John Paul, please learn to use the standard quote tags rather than adopting your own difficult to read method.
Now that is a lie. Theories of evolution have been around for millenia. So of course they had an alternative.
Only you if you're willing to massively equivocate between terms. The current meaning of evolution applies to descent with natural selection as described by Darwin.
You are right, however, that there were alternatives - pretty much any religion has its own pet creation myth. However, all of them are totally lacking in evidence so they don't address my point.
Wrong. Nature doesn't require classification, organisms do.
Now you're just being stupid.
And he was looking for the Created Kind, that is the point.
Really? Where then is any reference to the created kind in his classification system?

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