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Author Topic:   All Evolutionary scientists have been Evolutionary Indoctrinated
jar
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Message 115 of 312 (228096)
07-31-2005 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by Chiroptera
07-31-2005 10:28 AM


Toss out a proposal
Frankly I see this as almost exactly the same argument as CPT or ID. It's just Toss Out Some Supposition and debate if that supposition is possible. The basic issues are never dealt with, but rather discussion is drawn off into the realm of fantasy and philosophy.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 117 of 312 (228105)
07-31-2005 12:00 PM
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07-31-2005 11:57 AM


Then let's start with a question.
If a belief in the TOE is simply a matter of indoctrination, what would we see?
Would the changes that have been made in the theory have happened if it were Dogma?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 238 of 312 (228889)
08-02-2005 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by iano
08-02-2005 3:17 PM


Is this simply another wild hypothesis?
Well, so far there seems to be evidence that might support the TOE but no evidence has been shown that EI exists. All I've seen so far is a hypothesis that EI might exist.
Isn't this just like so many Creationist attempts, propose some hypothesis and then try to show that it's possible? Isn't this simply more of the ID, CPT, Accelerated Decay rates tactics?
Do you have any evidence that EI exists?

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jar
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Message 243 of 312 (228903)
08-02-2005 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by iano
08-02-2005 3:59 PM


Re: Game over - we're out of time..
There are several possible scenario.
Is it possible that there can be indoctrination?
I think everyone would concede that indoctrination is possible.
Does indoctrination happen?
I think everyone will concede that some indoctrination might happen but so far I've seen no evidence presented that supports indoctrination.
Is the scientific method designed to counteract the effects of indoctrination?
Still open to discussion.
Is there evidence that indoctrination, even if it is present, is not a major factor?
Yes, and I believe sufficient evidence has been presented to support that assertion. The simple fact that the TOE has changed with the discovery of additional information and data shows that it is not simply the result of indoctrination.
I'm sorry but this whole discussion is so similar to ID, CPT and other such practices that I cannot consider it more than some wild notion. It is but yet another case of bringing up some wild hypothesis and trying to determine is it's possible.

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