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Author Topic:   if scientists accept God in science, is science destroyed?
tesla
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Message 16 of 72 (444543)
12-29-2007 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Minnemooseus
12-29-2007 8:14 PM


Re: The tweaker God
well that's not off topic actually, considering that passage of enquiry would be, in effect, a "how"

acknowledgement would mean that it couldn't be dismissed, but lack of proof would also mean it couldn't be accepted either.


keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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Message 17 of 72 (444546)
12-29-2007 8:27 PM
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12-29-2007 8:22 PM


Re: The tweaker God
The key is that in Science, when you cannot explain a "how", you do not insert "GodDidIt", but rather simply move it into the "Don't Know Yet" pile.


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Message 18 of 72 (444551)
12-29-2007 8:37 PM
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12-29-2007 8:27 PM


Re: The tweaker God
which is exactly the way the science world would if God was an admitted fact, jar.

only the potential that God acted is noted. but not admissible without proof. like any other science.


keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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Message 19 of 72 (444553)
12-29-2007 8:41 PM
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12-29-2007 8:37 PM


Re: The tweaker God
only the potential that God acted is noted.

But even that is pointless and without value. What does that tell anyone?

The answer "GodMayHaveDidIt" is as content free as "GodDidIt".


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Message 20 of 72 (444555)
12-29-2007 8:46 PM
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12-29-2007 8:41 PM


Re: The tweaker God
thats off topic.


keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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Message 21 of 72 (444556)
12-29-2007 8:50 PM
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12-29-2007 8:46 PM


Re: The tweaker God
I'm sorry, off topic?

I beg your pardon.

How is pointing out that an assertion is content free off topic?


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Message 22 of 72 (444560)
12-29-2007 8:54 PM
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12-29-2007 8:50 PM


Re: The tweaker God
because the post was created to see what the acceptance of God in science, within scientific boundaries (law), would do to science.


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Message 23 of 72 (444561)
12-29-2007 8:59 PM
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12-29-2007 8:54 PM


Re: The tweaker God
Saying "GodMayHaveDoneThat" tells us nothing and so is valueless. Just put it in the unknown pile.

It is simply irrelevant since it has no content, no value, no worth or information.


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Message 24 of 72 (444568)
12-29-2007 9:49 PM
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12-29-2007 8:59 PM


Re: The tweaker God
the answer to your question lies in a different debate is all.

perhaps before too long that debate will be initialized.


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Message 25 of 72 (444569)
12-29-2007 9:59 PM
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12-29-2007 9:49 PM


Re: The tweaker God
The topic is "if scientists accept God in science, is science destroyed?"

My point is accepting god in science you add no information. To say "GodMayHaveDidIt" is content free, has no meaning or value and does not even advance knowledge. "GodMayHaveDidIt" is no different than saying "jduiiefggjkbdfuifjkciuid".

Trying to bring God into science is simply pointless and nonproductive.

So the answer to the question, the topic, is that bring God into science is simply a waste of time and effort and so totally useless.


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Message 26 of 72 (444571)
12-29-2007 10:02 PM
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12-29-2007 9:59 PM


Re: The tweaker God
that's off topic.

does the introduction of God in science destroy science, or not?

not just "what does it add"

but: what is taken away?

Edited by tesla, : No reason given.


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Message 27 of 72 (444574)
12-29-2007 10:10 PM
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12-29-2007 10:02 PM


Re: The tweaker God
does the introduction of God in science destroy science, or not?

not just "what does it add"

but: what is taken away?

Please read what I write.

Introducing God into science adds nothing and can actually produce deadends. If you say "GodDidIt" you have ended the search for actual "hows" and if you say "GodMayHaveDoneIt" you have simply made a pointless, contentless, valueless statement.


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Message 28 of 72 (444576)
12-29-2007 10:15 PM
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12-29-2007 10:10 PM


Re: The tweaker God
so you believe the admission would produce "dead ends".

this appears to go against the initial "assertions" of the post.

name an instance in where science would stop inquiry based on the addition?


keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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Message 29 of 72 (444577)
12-29-2007 10:17 PM
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12-29-2007 10:15 PM


Re: The tweaker God
Biblical Creationism, ID. Both dead ends.


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Message 30 of 72 (444579)
12-29-2007 10:21 PM
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12-29-2007 10:17 PM


Re: The tweaker God
biblical creationism and ID would not be affected any more than they are now.

at the least, they would find it a "win" to see science acknowledge "God" even if the acknowledgement does not give them any more credence than they have now in science.

it should be evident also that acknowledging God in science would be proposing at least a partial intelligent design

Edited by tesla, : No reason given.


keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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